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Subject: Re: Is this a mate in 14?

Author: Joachim Rang

Date: 06:04:39 02/11/06

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On February 11, 2006 at 08:53:11, Tord Romstad wrote:

>Hi Andre,
>
>Thanks for your help!  Thanks also to H.G. Muller for the interesting
>comments.
>
>On February 11, 2006 at 08:21:22, Andre Reffhaug wrote:
>
>>Rybka settles down with mate in 16 after a couple of minutes. Fruit gives Rxh7+
>>+21.5 after 10 minutes of thinking, and Hiarcs 10 has a mate in 20 after 13
>>minutes.
>
>Good to know that there is a forced mate, at least.  Nevertheless, after some
>more testing, I am convinced that I have a bug.  In the following position (also
>from LCT2), Glaurung announces mate in just 7 moves after only a second
>of thought:
>
>[D]2b1r1k1/r4ppp/p7/2pNP3/4Q3/q6P/2P2PP1/3RR1K1 w - -
>
>The search output:
>
>2 +34 26 134 Rd3 Qb2
>3 +40 26 605 Rd3 Qb2 Rg3
>4 +43 26 1404 Rd3 Qb2 Rg3 a5
>5 +54 27 5601 Rd3 Qa5 Rg3 Bf5 Nf6+ Kh8
>5 +68 28 11070 Re3 Qb2 Rg3 Qxe5 Nf6+ Kf8 Nxh7+ Kg8
>6 +51 29 14451 Re3 Qb2 Rg3 Kh8 Rg5 g6
>7 +40 33 33900 Re3 Qb2 Rg3 Kh8 Rg5 f6 Rh5
>7 +223 34 40308 Nf6+ gxf6 exf6 Rf8 Rd8 c4 Rxc8 Kh8 Qxc4
>8 +232 39 63318 Nf6+ gxf6 exf6 Rf8 Rd8 c4 Rxc8 Kh8 Qxc4 a5
>9 +864 52 142958 Nf6+ gxf6 exf6 Rf8 Qh4 Qd3 Rxd3 Bf5 Qg5+ Bg6 Qxc5 Bxd3 Qxa7
>Bxc2 Qxa6
>10 +864 58 175843 Nf6+ gxf6 exf6 Rf8 Qh4 Qd3 Rxd3 Bf5 Qg5+ Bg6 Qxc5 Bxd3 Qxa7
>Bxc2 Qxa6
>11 +909 73 289161 Nf6+ gxf6 exf6 Rf8 Qh4 Qe3 Rxe3 Bf5 Qg5+ Bg6 Qxc5 Raa8 Rd7
>Rab8
>12 +1239 103 518008 Nf6+ gxf6 exf6 Rf8 Qf4 Qe3 Qxe3 Bf5 Qxc5 Raa8 Qxf5 Kh8 Re7
>Rab8
>13 +9987 128 679813 Nf6+ gxf6 exf6 Rf8 Qf4 Qe3 Qxe3 Kh8 Qg5 Rg8 Qxg8+ Kxg8 Rd8#
>14 +9987 161 942794 Nf6+ gxf6 exf6 Rf8 Qf4 Qe3 Qxe3 Kh8 Qg5 Rg8 Qxg8+ Kxg8 Rd8#
>15 +9987 219 1391173 Nf6+ gxf6 exf6 Rf8 Qf4 Qe3 Qxe3 Kh8 Qg5 Rg8 Qxg8+ Kxg8 Rd8#
>16 +9987 333 2314397 Nf6+ gxf6 exf6 Rf8 Qf4 Qe3 Qxe3 Kh8 Qg5 Rg8 Qxg8+ Kxg8 Rd8#
>17 +9987 517 3762627 Nf6+ gxf6 exf6 Rf8 Qf4 Qe3 Qxe3 Kh8 Qg5 Rg8 Qxg8+ Kxg8 Rd8#
>18 +9987 850 6446616 Nf6+ gxf6 exf6 Rf8 Qf4 Qe3 Qxe3 Kh8 Qg5 Rg8 Qxg8+ Kxg8 Rd8#
>19 +9987 1397 11025335 Nf6+ gxf6 exf6 Rf8 Qf4 Qe3 Qxe3 Kh8 Qg5 Rg8 Qxg8+ Kxg8
>Rd8#
>
>This mate in 7 is obviously incorrect.  When I force 1. Nf6+ Kf8, Glaurung
>no longer sees a mate.  Clearly a bug.
>

the above mate is indeed incorrect. However as Maarten has pointed out the
initial position which you posted is indeed a mate in 14 (checked with a couple
of engines in backward analysis). In the second position after Nf6+ gxf6 it is a
mate in 6, the question is, why Glaurung prunes away the better answer Kf8?

regards
Joachim



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