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Subject: Re: Is this a mate in 14? - Another Position where Glaurung has problems

Author: Steve Maughan

Date: 06:12:59 02/11/06

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Here's another position where Glaurung 1.0.2 announces a mate that is shorter
than the optimal.  This is a Mate in 21 yet Glaurung announces Mate in 19.

The problem is almost certainly a hashing problem. How do you store mate values
in the hash table?  Do you store "distance from root to mate" or "distance from
current position to mate"?

[D]2k5/8/1pP1K3/1P6/8/8/8/8 w - -

Engine: Glaurung 1.0.2 (512 MB)
by Tord Romstad

2/04   0:00   +3.32    1.Kd6 Kb8 (16)

3/04   0:00   +3.04    1.Kd6 Kd8 2.Kd5 (53)

4/05   0:00   +2.10    1.Kd6 Kd8 2.Kd5 Kc7 (137)

4/05   0:00   +2.96    1.Ke5 Kc7 2.Ke6 Kc8 (296)

4/05   0:00   +2.98    1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Ke5 Kc8 (328)

5/06   0:00   +3.09    1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Ke5 Kc8 3.Kd6 (379)

6/08   0:00   +3.29    1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Ke5 Kb8 3.Kd6 Kc8 (614)

7/08   0:00   +2.90    1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Ke5 Kb8 3.Kd6 Kc8 4.Ke6 (999)

7/08   0:00   +2.93    1.Kf6 Kb8 2.Ke6 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kd8 4.Ke6 (1.541)

8/09   0:00   +2.98    1.Kf6 Kb8 2.Ke6 Kc8 3.Kd5 Kc7 4.Ke5 Kc8 (1.903)

9/10   0:00   +3.09    1.Kf6 Kb8 2.Kf7 Kc8 3.Ke8 Kc7 4.Ke7 Kc8
                       5.Kd6 (2.814)

10/12  0:00   +3.32    1.Kf6 Kb8 2.Kf7 Kc8 3.Ke8 Kc7 4.Ke7 Kc8
                       5.Kd6 Kd8 (3.545) 236

11/13  0:00   +3.04    1.Kf6 Kb8 2.Kf7 Kc8 3.Ke8 Kc7 4.Ke7 Kc8
                       5.Kd6 Kd8 6.Kd5 (5.392) 359

12/28  0:00   +2.98    1.Kf6 Kb8 2.Kf7 Kc8 3.Ke8 Kc7 4.Ke7 Kc8
                       5.Ke6 Kc7 6.Ke5 Kc8 (19.576) 631

13/28  0:00   +3.09    1.Kf6 Kb8 2.Kf7 Kc8 3.Ke8 Kc7 4.Ke7 Kc8
                       5.Ke6 Kc7 6.Ke5 Kc8 7.Kd6 (20.721) 668

13/28  0:00   +20.89   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Kc6 (21.346) 688

14/28  0:00   +20.89   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Kc6 Kc8 (22.249) 717

15/28  0:00   +20.89   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc7 8.b6+ Kb8 (24.353) 785

16/28  0:00   +20.89   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc7 8.b6+ Kc8
                       9.Ka7 (26.302) 848

17/28  0:00   +20.89   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc7 8.b6+ Kc8
                       9.Ka7 Kd8 (28.653) 622

18/28  0:00   +30.08   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc8 8.b6 Kd7
                       9.b7 Ke6 10.b8Q Kf5 (34.808) 756

19/28  0:00   +30.16   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc8 8.b6 Kd7
                       9.b7 Ke6 10.b8Q Kf5 11.Kb7 (41.986) 912

20/28  0:00   +30.16   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc8 8.b6 Kd7
                       9.b7 Ke6 10.b8Q Kf5 11.Kb7 Kg5 (46.189) 744

21/28  0:00   +30.24   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc8 8.b6 Kd7
                       9.b7 Ke6 10.b8Q Kf5 11.Kb7 Kg5
                       12.Kc8 (59.842) 767

22/30  0:00   +30.24   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc8 8.b6 Kd7
                       9.b7 Ke6 10.b8Q Kf5 11.Kb7 Kg5
                       12.Kc8 Kf5 (69.167) 886

23/32  0:00   +30.28   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc8 8.b6 Kd7
                       9.b7 Kc7 10.Ka7 Kd6 11.b8Q+ Kd5
                       12.Kb6 Kc4 13.Qc8+ Kd4 14.Kc6 (120.362) 962

24/34  0:00   +30.28   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc8 8.b6 Kd7
                       9.b7 Kc7 10.Ka7 Kd6 11.b8Q+ Kd5
                       12.Kb6 Kc4 13.Qc8+ Kd4 14.Qd8+ (147.002) 942

25/35  0:00   +30.32   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc8 8.b6 Kd7
                       9.b7 Kc7 10.Ka7 Kd6 11.b8Q+ Kd5
                       12.Kb6 Ke4 13.Kc5 Kf3 14.Kd4 (227.423) 971

26/38  0:00   +30.35   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc8 8.b6 Kd7
                       9.b7 Kc7 10.Ka7 Kd6 11.b8Q+ Kd5
                       12.Kb6 Ke4 13.Kc5 Kd3 14.Qf4 (383.412) 910

27/39  0:00   +30.39   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc8 8.b6 Kd7
                       9.b7 Kc7 10.Ka7 Kd6 11.b8Q+ Kd5
                       12.Kb6 Ke4 13.Kc5 Kd3 14.Qf4 (527.374) 865

28/42  0:01   +30.43   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc8 8.b6 Kd7
                       9.b7 Kc7 10.Ka7 Kd6 11.b8Q+ Kd5
                       12.Qg8+ Kd4 13.Qg4+ Kd3 14.Kb6 (791.902) 780

29/44  0:02   +30.47   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc8 8.b6 Kd7
                       9.b7 Kc7 10.Ka7 Kd6 11.b8Q+ Kd5
                       12.Qf4 Ke6 13.Ka6 Kd5 14.Kb6 (1.595.412) 724

30/44  0:03   +30.51   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc8 8.b6 Kd7
                       9.b7 Kc7 10.Ka7 Kd6 11.b8Q+ Kd5
                       12.Qf4 Ke6 13.Qg5 Kd6 14.Kb6 (2.185.958) 666

31/47  0:04   +30.55   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc8 8.b6 Kd7
                       9.b7 Kc7 10.Ka7 Kd6 11.b8Q+ Kd5
                       12.Qf4 Ke6 13.Qg5 Kd6 14.Kb6 (2.864.163) 623

32/47  0:08   +30.59   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc7 8.b6+ Kc8
                       9.Ka7 Kd7 10.b7 Ke6 11.b8Q Kf5
                       12.Qg3 Ke4 13.Kb6 Kd4 14.Qf4+ (4.565.068) 561

33/50  0:09   +30.59   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc7 8.b6+ Kc8
                       9.Ka7 Kd7 10.b7 Ke6 11.b8Q Kf5
                       12.Qg3 Ke4 13.Kb6 Kd4 14.Qf2+ (5.396.550) 549

34/50  0:12   +30.59   1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc7 8.b6+ Kc8
                       9.Ka7 Kd7 10.b7 Ke6 11.b8Q Kf5
                       12.Qg3 Ke4 13.Kb6 Kf5 14.Kc5 (6.757.702) 537

35/50  0:14   +M19     1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc7 8.b6+ Kc8
                       9.Ka7 Kd7 10.b7 Ke6 11.b8Q Kf5
                       12.Qb4 Kf6 13.Qf4+ Kg7 14.Qg5+ (7.493.957) 516

36/50  0:16   +M19     1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc7 8.b6+ Kc8
                       9.Ka7 Kd7 10.b7 Ke6 11.b8Q Kf5
                       12.Qb4 Kf6 13.Qf4+ Kg7 14.Qg5+ (8.043.366) 501

37/50  0:17   +M19     1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc7 8.b6+ Kc8
                       9.Ka7 Kd7 10.b7 Ke6 11.b8Q Kf5
                       12.Qb4 Kf6 13.Qf4+ Kg7 14.Qg5+ (8.685.851) 490

38/50  0:19   +M19     1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc7 8.b6+ Kc8
                       9.Ka7 Kd7 10.b7 Ke6 11.b8Q Kf5
                       12.Qb4 Kf6 13.Qf4+ Kg7 14.Qg5+ (9.358.654) 480

39/50  0:21   +M19     1.c7 Kxc7 2.Ke7 Kc8 3.Kd6 Kb7 4.Kd7 Kb8
                       5.Kc6 Kc8 6.Kxb6 Kb8 7.Ka6 Kc7 8.b6+ Kc8
                       9.Ka7 Kd7 10.b7 Ke6 11.b8Q Kf5
                       12.Qb4 Kf6 13.Qf4+ Kg7 14.Qg5+ (10.026.938) 472




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