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Subject: Re: CCRL - 4040 Endgame Positions Proposal

Author: Chessfun

Date: 10:31:45 02/11/06

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On February 09, 2006 at 19:25:48, Mike S. wrote:

>On February 09, 2006 at 18:27:05, Chessfun wrote:
>
>>(...)
>
>>My own thoughts on without tablebases is since there are a few engines very week
>>on endings without tablebase support, much better to play with since most
>>engines not only support them but even those without seek to use them in newer
>>versions.
>
>I was making a suggestion towards a selected subset of tbs., as a kind of
>performance compromise (to reduce slowdown effects but at the same time, get
>most of the practical 5-piece benefit = R vs. R):
>
>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?484714
>
>I wouldn't mind if you would test all types of engines in the endgame tests
>(those which access tbs. and those which do not). If you test in Fritz, the GUI
>will provide "some" tbs. support if the engine in itself cannot, but only in
>tablebase positions if they are reached in the game. This is in contrast to
>other GUIs like WinBoard which don't do this. It is a philosophy question, how
>to handle this. I would think, it is more typical for a normal practise to let
>the software make use of such a function, than to unneccessarily restrict
>engines when the GUI could help them to perfectly finish a game. OTOH, that may
>lead to (some) results which an non-tbs. engine could not have achieved in
>another GUI.

Well the GUI's mostly would likely be CB and true that thats provides tablebase
support once the say 5 piece ending is reached. But of course that is different
from tablebase probing as done by a tablebase supported engine.

It is of course a matter of preference what to choose as far as tablebase
supported engines in an ending rating list. Hopefully there will also be time to
add engines that don't supprort tablebases.

>P.S. My opening book PB12moves is involved in the CCRL tests! :-) I'm glad that
>I could offer something useful that way, as it seems.

Correct. I myself haven't as yet used it but I will in my coming matches with
Hiarcs Hypermodern.

Sarah




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