Author: stuart taylor
Date: 16:04:37 02/13/06
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On February 13, 2006 at 09:25:36, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On February 13, 2006 at 08:29:55, stuart taylor wrote: > >>On February 12, 2006 at 22:05:16, Roger Brown wrote: >> >>>On February 12, 2006 at 21:45:51, stuart taylor wrote: >>> >>>>On February 12, 2006 at 13:32:33, Peter Skinner wrote: >>>> >>>>>This is nothing more than a flagrant attempt in polling users about possible >>>>>commercial payment possibilities for your program, and as such I am removing the >>>>>thread. >>>>> >>>>>As per the charter: >>>>> >>>>>Once a member gains access to the message board, he may read all messages and >>>>>post new or response messages with the proviso that these new or response >>>>>messages: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Are, within reason, on the topic of computer chess >>>>> 2. Are not abusive in nature >>>>> 3. Do not contain personal and/or libelous attacks on others >>>>> 4. Are not flagrant commercial exhortations >>>>> 5. Are not of questionable legal status. >>>>> >>>>>What about rule #4 do you not understand? >>>>> >>>>>Peter >>>> >>>>You have certainly violated 2 and 3 straight off imo. >>>> >>>>A person with Vasiks standing stands to be very insulted by your insensitive >>>>behavior. I can't emphasize this strongly enough. >>>>OBVIOUSLY this should have been done in a different way, and it would have been >>>>no problem to have done so. >>>>(Actually, the mods here also threw Kasparov himself packing, though probably >>>>not realizing it was him. And even if they HAD, I suppose who cares!). >>>>S.Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Hello Stuart, >>> >>>Please point out where Peter was abusive or where he made personal attacks. I >>>respect the fact that it is your opinion but I am sincerely hoping that your >>>opinion is supported by some facts. >>> >>>I am also bemused by the reference to Vas' standing. Precisely what does that >>>mean? I am no programmer so am I someone who would not be insulted if Peter >>>offered insulting or libellious statements to me? >>> >>>I would strongly suggest that if there is a point of principle to be made that >>>you do not make it taking into account Vas' specific standing in your eyes. >>>That would be the introduction of the thin edge of the wedge. >>> >>>Where there is a violation of the charter we have the moderators to enforce the >>>rules. >>> >>>Your reference to Kasparov being sent packing is interesting. I would like to >>>hear more about it as I would certainly care if that had been done *and* you had >>>proof to support your claim. >>> >>>Actually, I cannot understand the joining of the two events in your post but I >>>am a simple man. >> >>I thought it was another example of carelesness in evaluating a person. >> >>> >>>:-) >>> >>>I take your points about the process but I do not believe that anyone, least of >>>all myself (or anyone - programmer of the mightiest engine this decade or not >>>:-) )is above the rules. >>> >>>When you say that it is OBVIOUS that it could have been done differently I >>>wonder why you think so? >>> >>>In case there are persons who are wondering, I think Vas is an incredible >>>programmer and he has written a first class engine and released it as a freely >>>available beta. I would have sold it from day one. >>> >>>There is a need to consider the facts and not allow emotions or respect for >>>anyone to cloud judgement. >>> >>>Of course, that is my opinion. >>> >>>Later. >> >>No one is above the law, "but the shame caused to a person goes according to the >>person who shames him, and according to the one being shamed", this is surely a >>general truth, but known to me especially as it is a well known principle in the >>Jewish judicial system, in estimating how much, and if, a person has been >>maligned. >>Vasik, realizes he has made history, and he believes that everyone (in ccc) >>loves him, and that he is doing a service to the forum by posting often. Atleast >>It stands to reason that he might feel he is one of the most welcome members. >>And to suddenly treat him out of the blue like he is the vermin of society seems >>a little too harsh. > >It's a bit harsh to twist historical facts this way, yes. This was NOT out of >the blue. It was already discussed last year. Then people declared their >interest and so the debate disappeared. But this message now about calling for a >feedback on his subscription plans was too much or enough. Why should that be >debated in CCC? When Vas has his own forum specifically for all Rybka >customers...! Why is it so difficult to understand for some people here? Bias in >the perception? Dont know. > > >>It hurts him much more than it would an average poster. >>He also didn't fully realize he was doing wrong, obviously. > >Let's call it chuzpe. > > >>Still I can understand the problem of allowing it like this, because other >>programmers might be feeling they are being usurped and losing their own sales >>too. That's OK as long as it is not the fault of the forum morals. >>So obviously, it should have been done with more diplomacy and not openly. >>S.Taylor > > >With so many customers here among the members Vas has earned the right to get an >open response right away. His advertising was also very frank and direct. So >where is the problem? What would the customers have said if that would have been >deleted without public explanation and debate? Read for instance SteveB, he made >a valid point towards those who openly declared that they didnt care about this >forum or the whereabouts of the host a damned sh__. But at the same time these >interesting role models declare that they are morally deeply hurt by seeing how >certain postings have been deleted - of the feedback for Vasik. If that's not >hypocrisy? Yes, this is all being discussed. Also, it might be true that it was better done discreetly, and I can think of other arguments for both sides too. But another thing might be that I was just enjoying it all, and I had also posted a nice reply to Vasik which was also deleted, and for me it was like losing my meal (fell on the sand, or something) which I just was in the middle enjoying! A bit uncomfortable! So I lashed out too! I was also afraid of losing future posts from Vasik, and other related interesting news and views about what's going on. Let's call it indigestion! S.Taylor
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