Computer Chess Club Archives


Search

Terms

Messages

Subject: Re: The Rybka Flamewar & question for Vasik

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 05:54:48 02/16/06

Go up one level in this thread


On February 16, 2006 at 01:26:41, Sune Larsson wrote:

>Surely there must be some difference between "bad taste" and questioning a
>persons *honesty*?
>
>Then again - who cares about nodes? The playing strength is what counts.
>
>/S

A recent study has reveiled that in a big tests, emotional psychopaths were
consistently performing better at buying and selling shares and stocks than
non-psychopaths, as they mercilous took decisions without taking into account
anything else but the principle of making profit.

If you deal with an emotional psychopath, please note i do NOT say Vasik is one,
do you find him a better person because he makes a bit more profit with his
$5000 at wallstreet than you do with your $5000?

Additional, to use financial world comparisions, amidst billionaires, Vasik
currently is not even millionaire. However as it is looking very promising he
makes a small chance to become one and certain professional chessprogrammers are
a bit worried then that despite all the big marketing slogans used by certain
companies, that those slogans get replaced by a new fashion of clear lying.

There is a BIG difference between marketing your product with a good slogan and
marketing by modifying the truth.

Please note that no programmer gets PAID to dominate with their chessprogram in
blitz events. I remember how in the year 2000, Diep was doing pretty well at
ICC. In fact it was 2nd highest in bullet after ferret.

It was not too bad in blitz either.

That was obvious in 2001 world champs blitz. (excuses why and how
removed)Despite all that, diep won many games and missed narrowly the world
title blitz in the one last round when i lost with Diep from Erdogan who
operated Goliath there which was a very impressive blitz program.

Who remembers Goliath?

I remember that for a few years Tiger was very impressive. It really impressed
once in Paderborn. For me, Tiger just came out of the sky on earth and really
kicked butt. Even SSDF couldn't deny it's playing strength and with a Noomen
book it kicked butt there.

But then, Tiger never won a world title.

Goliath has more world titles than Tiger.

After a close study of what Rybka is based upon, most commercial authors tell me
now that they find it very impressive that Vasik has achieved, but if they would
award a prize for the 'Engine surprise 2005', it doesn't go to Vasik,
they award it to Fabien Letouzey.

His code is however open source...

Vasik has of course a big opportunity with a good openingsbooker to become the
'bad surprise 2006' for those commercial programmers in Turino 2006.

What we do know is that most programmers won't award him a prize for social
behaviour. He ends last there.

My own judgement there is more forgiving than those programmers. To me it is
like, you make a few mistakes and then you correct them. I'm sure Vasik will
too. If i would quote however what others say, then every sentence of it would
be ready for moderation.

Vincent



This page took 0.01 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.