Author: Zappa
Date: 12:06:41 02/16/06
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On February 16, 2006 at 14:39:34, Vasik Rajlich wrote:
>On February 16, 2006 at 13:17:10, Zappa wrote:
>
>>On February 16, 2006 at 06:21:57, Djordje Vidanovic wrote:
>>
>>>On February 15, 2006 at 10:20:18, Zappa wrote:
>>>
>>>>So I dropped by to see how my old buddies in CCC were doing, and found a massive
>>>>flamewar :) This is far more to my liking than dry test results, so I thought
>>>>I'd weigh in with a few comments.
>>>>
>>>>The majority of members in CCC seem to be unable to think rationally about
>>>>Rybka. I saw the following argument about 500X: "Vasik is violating the
>>>>charter" "But Rybka is so awesome". Clearly this is complete idiocy. The law
>>>>is intended to apply to everyone equally, regardless of whether or not they have
>>>>an awesome engine.
>>>>
>>>>I left (and this is not a coming back post) because I didn't like reading tons
>>>>of testing posts. However, the majority of people here appear to like it here.
>>>> From what I read in the flamewar Skinner seems correct that Vasik violated the
>>>>charter, but perhaps rather than crucifying Vasik (or Skinner), the charter
>>>>should be amended so the club serves the interest of the majority. It really
>>>>seems like the majority of people don't mind his "commerical posts" - so what's
>>>>the problem?
>>>>
>>>>I also read Enrico's post on Rybka's nodecount. Vasik claimed it was the result
>>>>of a bug. I read that as "my node count obfuscation algorithm has a bug and
>>>>will be fixed posthaste". If you look at Enrico's numbers, its obvious that
>>>>Rybka is really searching at 2-3M+ nps on big hardware.
>>>>
>>>>So, Vasik, please tell me: why would you would want to hide the node count of
>>>>Rybka?
>>>>
>>>>anthony
>>>
>>>
>>>Interesting post. And very telling. Demands some kind of reply, at least from
>>>a curious member of the CCC (but surely not from Vasik, as the question you ask
>>>is rather impertinent and irrelevant for the masses): why wouldn't you,
>>>Anthony, want to release your program so that Chrilly Donninger might try his
>>>disassembling skills on Zappa as he did with Rybka? A reminder for you: the
>>>verdict was that Rybka had no other program's code in it...
>>>
>>>If Rybka's code is messy and obfuscated, so be it. What's your code like remains
>>>to be seen, of course :-). LOL.
>>>
>>>Djordje
>>
>>I really don't understand your post at all. I am not saying that Rybka is a
>>clone. Nor am I saying that his source code is messy. I am just curious why he
>>deliberately modifies his node count/nps. No one else does this. Sure, some
>>people have different styles of counting. But no one does printf("nps / 20"),
>>and that appears to be what Vasik is doing.
>>
>>anthony
>
>It's not what I'm doing. I really don't know how you came to that conclusion.
>Although it's true that my node counting is a bit unusual, with a little bit of
>effort I could make it more conventional.
>
>Vas
I didn't save Enrico's post, but Rybka's total nodes went something like this:
50,000
100,000
150,000
200,000
10,000
12,000
14,000
I would think that no matter how creative your counting scheme is, it should
still increase monotonically.
anthony
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