Author: Uri Blass
Date: 21:25:50 02/16/06
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On February 16, 2006 at 17:51:53, Uri Blass wrote:
>On February 16, 2006 at 15:06:41, Zappa wrote:
>
>>On February 16, 2006 at 14:39:34, Vasik Rajlich wrote:
>>
>>>On February 16, 2006 at 13:17:10, Zappa wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 16, 2006 at 06:21:57, Djordje Vidanovic wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 15, 2006 at 10:20:18, Zappa wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>So I dropped by to see how my old buddies in CCC were doing, and found a massive
>>>>>>flamewar :) This is far more to my liking than dry test results, so I thought
>>>>>>I'd weigh in with a few comments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The majority of members in CCC seem to be unable to think rationally about
>>>>>>Rybka. I saw the following argument about 500X: "Vasik is violating the
>>>>>>charter" "But Rybka is so awesome". Clearly this is complete idiocy. The law
>>>>>>is intended to apply to everyone equally, regardless of whether or not they have
>>>>>>an awesome engine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I left (and this is not a coming back post) because I didn't like reading tons
>>>>>>of testing posts. However, the majority of people here appear to like it here.
>>>>>> From what I read in the flamewar Skinner seems correct that Vasik violated the
>>>>>>charter, but perhaps rather than crucifying Vasik (or Skinner), the charter
>>>>>>should be amended so the club serves the interest of the majority. It really
>>>>>>seems like the majority of people don't mind his "commerical posts" - so what's
>>>>>>the problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I also read Enrico's post on Rybka's nodecount. Vasik claimed it was the result
>>>>>>of a bug. I read that as "my node count obfuscation algorithm has a bug and
>>>>>>will be fixed posthaste". If you look at Enrico's numbers, its obvious that
>>>>>>Rybka is really searching at 2-3M+ nps on big hardware.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, Vasik, please tell me: why would you would want to hide the node count of
>>>>>>Rybka?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>anthony
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting post. And very telling. Demands some kind of reply, at least from
>>>>>a curious member of the CCC (but surely not from Vasik, as the question you ask
>>>>>is rather impertinent and irrelevant for the masses): why wouldn't you,
>>>>>Anthony, want to release your program so that Chrilly Donninger might try his
>>>>>disassembling skills on Zappa as he did with Rybka? A reminder for you: the
>>>>>verdict was that Rybka had no other program's code in it...
>>>>>
>>>>>If Rybka's code is messy and obfuscated, so be it. What's your code like remains
>>>>>to be seen, of course :-). LOL.
>>>>>
>>>>>Djordje
>>>>
>>>>I really don't understand your post at all. I am not saying that Rybka is a
>>>>clone. Nor am I saying that his source code is messy. I am just curious why he
>>>>deliberately modifies his node count/nps. No one else does this. Sure, some
>>>>people have different styles of counting. But no one does printf("nps / 20"),
>>>>and that appears to be what Vasik is doing.
>>>>
>>>>anthony
>>>
>>>It's not what I'm doing. I really don't know how you came to that conclusion.
>>>Although it's true that my node counting is a bit unusual, with a little bit of
>>>effort I could make it more conventional.
>>>
>>>Vas
>>
>>I didn't save Enrico's post, but Rybka's total nodes went something like this:
>>
>>50,000
>>100,000
>>150,000
>>200,000
>>10,000
>>12,000
>>14,000
>>
>>I would think that no matter how creative your counting scheme is, it should
>>still increase monotonically.
>>
>>anthony
>
>Yes and it proves that vasik does not divide the number of nodes by 20(otherwise
>it could increase monotonically).
>
>Uri
It is possible that the reason for the creative count of nodes by rybka is that
this may be a trick of advertisement.
Vasik is not allowed to do advertisement for rybka directly so it is possible
that he decided to be creative in counting nodes and knew people are going to
find it and he get additional advertisement for rybka by that way.
Uri
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