Author: Kirill Kryukov
Date: 02:56:50 02/19/06
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Enough is enough. I was trying to staying calm in all this debate until you mentioned my name, so time to clarify something from my side. On February 19, 2006 at 04:36:06, Heinz van Kempen wrote: >Hi Uri, > >thinking about this I have to admit that this is the thing that annoyed me most, >trying secretly to convince old testers to add to the new group. I never tried to convince any active CEGT testers to leave CEGT and join our new group. I did not even contact any CEGT testers after I left team. (Except you when I had to already defend your attacks by email). If you have any problems with me then just say it clearly. It's OK if you dislike me personally, or any other person, just talk it clear. Instead you are consistently attacking our group, with some general accusitions. Enough of this dirt from your side. > I founded AEGT >and asked again and again in Winboard Forum for support and due to this efforts >over years there were longstanding and reliable testers, who added their >efforts. Before leaving AEGT to try something new I tested also for a while in >AEGT and CEGT, but never asked AEGT members to come to CEGT. In fact CEGT and >AEGT members ever had friendly relations and we even planned to do something >common in the end, but AEGT could not "survive" for lack of testers. No one in our team asked CEGT members to join (to the best of my knowledge). Moreover, I was trying to do as little stress to your team when I left, and I wished your team members to continue and be fine. >Two or three came later because they wanted to support the new concept and there >was no problem that they tested in both groups. > >Here it was other thing. Those longstanding testers were asked secretly. The >testers now in CEGT did not know about that. No one was asked secretely. Stop this lies and stop presenting your paranoid ideas as a fact. I had no idea there will be new team when I left, and after the new group was formed only Charles joined among CEGT testers. And in that case Charles contacted me first from his side. >Nowadays I regret to have admitted K.K. in CEGT and losing another good tester >also good with stats that way. No one left CEGT because of me. If you refer to Michael, then I know from his own words that he left because he did not like that we test too many settings. In contrast with that, there is a number of testers who left CEGT because of you. Are you telling that to your new members? You regularly quarreled with different members for nonesence reasons, creating stress and tension in the team, until Ray, Graham, Sarah and I could not stand it anymore. The split happened because you screwed Graham and Ray to the level where they could not even have fun with their hobby - engine testing. Now we have a pieceful and friendly team, and I only regret I wasted so long time in CEGT. > I soon felt his ambition and that for him all >comes down to competition. I am very sure that I would never have had any >problems with Graham or Ray without this competition that build itself within >the new former CEGT group. It was not enough that I gave all stats and downloads >to Kirill. You were thankful to me when I was helping you with managing the database and rating list. You had more free time and the CEGT stats and rating list quickly became standard quality in the field. You should thank me that I shown you how to manage the database and how to handle rating lists. I tought you those things. I described the method to deal with distortion and produce the "pure" list (method which you fail to implement correctly even now). I basically brought CEGT to the new level of quality. Without me you would still be in 90-th with your ELOstat. (I mean, there you are now again). > More quarrels arose with a member we always had probs with and >finally a dispute about using a W.D. book or not gave us the rest. >There were also disputes if to accept a new tester (friend from Sarah), whom >others did not want to have in the team because of his known aggressiveness in >postings. Did it occur to you that whenever there was a dispute or quarrel in CEGT you were the main participant? We don't have any hot discussions in our new team, because we share some common human sense that you lack. We are simply enjoying our hobby, and that's all of it. > There were a lot of dishonest statements additionally that let me >doubt in the identity of one person now. What person? What comments? >Uschi tried to propose a chat where all would tell openly what they do not like >and what we could do better. This was rejected, discussion was avoided, because >things in my opinion should just happen that way. You should appreciate the efforts I put into making that chat. I installed about 5 different chats for the team to choose. It turned out no one really needed it. There is still a chat in the old CEGT forum, which no ever used. >As the new group tries to get some "reputation" by mentioning again and again >the time control that is "so much" better I think I can also tell about positive >aspects of CEGT. No one ever was saying that our time control is better than yours. It's different and it's longer, that's all. Your time control is interesting as well, like blitz time control is also interesting. No one is denying that and everyone is free to test in time control he likes best. >This are: > >- consistency, people testing for years already with heartblood and many new >ideas > >- many games more (currently almost twenty times as much), additional time >controls 40/4 and 40/120, many more included versions for the top engines like >Rybka and Hiarcs > >- being able to present results more quickly because of using a repeated time >control coming to around more than one hour per game on average even on very >fast hardware and that is not too long and not demanding too much from testers >with slower hardware and what still will not give differences of more than a few >ELO, as soon as the new group will be able to give more than 1000 games > >- including more amateurs and versions for them > >- more flexibility, diversity of interesting tournaments including leagues, >World Trophy, City Grand Prix and many more > >- trying to give not only numbers, but also comments (see under ratings) and >games for replay. Heinz, your energy and competitive spirit is worth better usage. As I said we are not competing with you or anyone. Relax and enjoy life if you still have one. Your team has strong points, why you are so unsettled? Apparently you don't enjoy your testing anymore, because of out existance. > Are ratings really so important? We have them also with good >rating lists thanks to the tools of Michael Koppel where you can easily see the >individual stats by clicking the engine name. That's why you have #1 followed by #3 then by #6 in your best versions list. Also, you can see individual stats by clicking on engine name in out list, if you did not notice. > But we also like to show games >with tournament time control in the replay zone, because here you can find >gorgeous games. Try to detect again the depth of the game by viewing it and not >only by numbers The most important thing is the team atmosphere, not the numbers. That's why so many people left CEGT in the past. There will be more I'm sure, when they will discover what a person hides under name Heinz van Kempen. >This is my point of view and from my side there could be peace now or at least >just ignoring the other team without trying to tell constantly that all >including time controls and so on is "much better" in the new group. This is your most common tactics - to throw dirt, saying "there could be peace now", "I will not discuss it anymore here", "I always want peace here", and so on. >CEGT is a harmonic team now and we want to keep this. One thing I learnt, >friendly relations without competition within a team is the most important thing >in order to proceed and survive. The new group only exists for two months still >has to demonstrate that they can have continuity for more than one year and that >they are able to handle conflicts within a team that will soon appear after the >first enthusiasm is over and the different characters will give first probs. CEGT already demonstrated that they could not handle conflicts so well... No one left our new group for 2 months now. In contrast at least 9 people left CEGT since September 2005 (Michael, Christian, Alessandro, Thomas, Ray, Kirill, Sarah, Graham, Chris). May be more, it's getting hard to remember them all. So it's natural to ask what's wrong with CEGT? Only one thing - you, Heinz. > >Best Regards >Heinz
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