Author: Heinz van Kempen
Date: 04:33:43 02/19/06
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On February 19, 2006 at 06:42:33, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On February 19, 2006 at 04:36:06, Heinz van Kempen wrote: > >>CEGT is a harmonic team now and we want to keep this. One thing I learnt, >>friendly relations without competition within a team is the most important thing >>in order to proceed and survive. The new group only exists for two months still >>has to demonstrate that they can have continuity for more than one year and that >>they are able to handle conflicts within a team that will soon appear after the >>first enthusiasm is over and the different characters will give first probs. >> >>Best Regards >>Heinz > > >Ok, I see that you dont want to hear anything about mediation. Now I know the >reason why. So without personal context let me explain something basical. > >In a hobby the imagination of harmony and more so its idolizing is dangerous. >You can have as much harmony or as little - as far as you have to deal with >humans people. If one doesnt tolerate and support that fact, everything is out >of control. What counts is the value of the contributions from the members and >NOT their political or religious beliefs. > >How come that everybody criticising you or your group is talking about too >aggressive speech from your side although you claim that you want peace and >nothing but peace? > >Finally, also in this little exchange I saw that you are completely unprepared >of the difference between anonymities and real persons. Excuse me, but I must >insist: contributions are fine and should be seen as the only guidline when you >judge about someone, but contributions from anonymous people are still _less_ >valuable. Anonymity itself IS already a problem. If I were leading a group of >testers and if I wanted to keep control over the standards of good testing and >if I wanted really the objective and best results, then I shouldnt tolerate >anonymity - at least I as the host should know with whom I cooperated. > >So this is the baseline, never expressed. I say that tests are not neutral in >itself. The testers should have agreement over the neccessity of _objective_ >standards. Hi Rolf, it will be demanded too much to come to a verdict for you or others not involved, with just tiny pieces of information. Almost nothing you write above helps to solve the conflict, what maybe would be the most important thing regarding the future as Uri rightfully stated. Using words like harmony and peace is quite natural after such heavy discussions. Although you always like to stir up things it is really better when Kirill and I will now try to solve this finally starting with emails, as already agreed. Thanks for your comments anyway. You are somehow aggressive too, but also intelligent. Best Regards Heinz
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