Author: Heinz van Kempen
Date: 04:40:43 02/19/06
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On February 19, 2006 at 07:31:53, Kirill Kryukov wrote: >Hi Uri, > >On February 19, 2006 at 06:41:11, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On February 19, 2006 at 05:56:50, Kirill Kryukov wrote: >><snipped> >>>The most important thing is the team atmosphere, not the numbers. That's why so >>>many people left CEGT in the past. There will be more I'm sure, when they will >>>discover what a person hides under name Heinz van Kempen. >> >>I hope that you are wrong here. >>If Heinz did some mistake n the past that caused testers to leave it does not >>mean that he has to do more mistakes. > >He did that mistake several times, which suggests good chance that he will do it >again. > >Please note that not all quarrels initiated by him were leading to member's >leave. Many times we were letting go, for the good of the team. I tried what I >could to keep the team stable, until I could not bear it anymore. > > >><snipped> >>>CEGT already demonstrated that they could not handle conflicts so well... No one >>>left our new group for 2 months now. In contrast at least 9 people left CEGT >>>since September 2005 (Michael, Christian, Alessandro, Thomas, Ray, Kirill, >>>Sarah, Graham, Chris). May be more, it's getting hard to remember them all. So >>>it's natural to ask what's wrong with CEGT? Only one thing - you, Heinz. >> >>I think that discussion can be more productive if people are going to think what >>they did wrong and not what other did wrong. >> >>crticizing some actions of heinz is one thing but it is better not to say that >>only one person is the problem. >> >>Uri > >Actually a few members were pointing out his actions to him in our forum or by >email. Do you think it helped? > >I for one know what I did wrong. I was tolerating too much. I was helping him >too much with the stats and the database. But you know, he just thought he is >giving me a favor. I spent endless hours on CEGT stats, web-site, forum, etc.. >Did I ever ask anything in return? No, just to have fun with my hobby. There >were endless debates over nonsence topics, and what's more it was hurting to see >other members leaving when they could not stand what I could. > >I have to add that I know by example that it can be different. We have 8 members >now, with totally harmonic and pieceful atmosphere. It means it is possible. > >Best, >Kirill Hi Kirill, of course it is possible to have a harmonic team. We had it with AEGT all the years, we are having it now in CEGT (and if the current members would not have supported me it would have been dead after all what happened), the new testers can even vote for another "spokesman" if they like. We had it most of the time before you came with Michael. I hoped our agreement would stop you to write here negative comments about me and continue with personal attscks. This way it is uselss and I will never again talk to you. Now I am really angry. You cannot stop to offend me and posted before that you want to discuss fairly by email. This can´t be true and is absurd. Live in peace Heinz
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