Author: Kirill Kryukov
Date: 04:54:02 02/19/06
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Hi Heinz, On February 19, 2006 at 07:13:50, Heinz van Kempen wrote: >at least here I have to answer because this is total distortion of the truth. >Everyone who knows me better from Winboard Forum, from CEGT Forum, from emails, >will affirm that I do not have troubles with anyone not attacking me personally >and constantly and not putting me under pressure. I think that most appreciate >my general behaviour as friendly. Your friendly behaviour is quite evident from your posts here. About the left members, I now remind there were 10, not 9 (one more Chris). It makes it 2.5 leaving members per month. (From September till December). We would have lost 5 already if we had you in our team. May I remind what you commonly say when a member was leaving CEGT? You say: > Such times of crisis are also those of cleaning, because then > it shows who are the really fragile people and who is shy of > conflicts and can't bear anything. Those who really identify > with the team do not have real probs with managing the conflict, > because they decided to continue to fight on. It's clear you have a fighter spirit. I don't want to fight over my hobby all the time, I have enough other troubles in my life. I want pieceful and enjoyable time with my hobby. This turned out to be impossible in CEGT. I tolerated not just once or twice before I made my decision to quit. >Regarding those who left they could best tell why. Here is just my opionion. > >Michael, because of adding the Banks brothers involving too many CM settings >this way, maybe also because of preferring Kirill´s forum to his parsimony style Yes, perhaps this is the only one who left because of testing issues. He stated he did not like too many settings, so here you have one. 9 left. >Christian, here it known already since AEGT that we cannot exist together in the >same group. The reasons are still unknown to me, moreover as I know him for 25 >years already personally, so here it hurts especially. We tried again and again >and always troubles came what was depressing for other team members. Those >constand troubles between us two brought CEGT more than once to the brink of >collapse. > >Thomas has surely nothing against me personally, but left because of the way the >Christian conflict was handled > >Alessandro for the same reason These two were disgusted by your behavior after the Christian issue. >Chris - I was always good friend with him. He cannot understand why in his view >such nice persons like Graham and me do not understand each other. Well, I think >it was not Graham who set me under pressure, he even warned about things >happening in the background and the nasty discussion here was with the W.D. book > >Ray left because he did not want to have conflicts anymore Ray does not have any conflicts now, strange, is not it? >Graham because he wanted to convince Ray to start something new, because despite >of all the troubles both found fun in testing in a team (believe it or not we >also had good times and understood each other) Graham was the target of your last attack (W.D. book issue). He was peaceful enough to tolerate it, but with his brother leaving it was too much even for him. >Sarah because she lost fun over too many discussion I'll leave it to Sarah to say. >Kirill in my opinion from the beginning either wanted to have me as tester only >in CEGT lead by him completely or use CEGT as a start for something new. You should know me better by now, to see that I am not for leadership or control of anything. I was doing my work behind the scenes most of time, as you know. I never posted publically too much, like you do, for example. We had some arguments, but you should know by now that I argue only when I know what I am talking about. You felt uncomfortable when I started to use Bayeselo instead of your familiar ELOstat. As I learned recently, now you are also considering to start using Bayeselo, although you did not like it all the time. You did not believe in rating distortion until I made long arguments about it. And so on. I joined CEGT because I wanted to contribute to statistically sound study of chess engines. I know a bit about statistics and computation, so I thought I can also help. I found in your team more politics and private issues than scientific testing study. I was trying to fix it, and I am sad it had to end this way. >Best Regards >Heinz
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