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Subject: Re: Open the old CEGT forum and show anyone the truth + To Uri

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 11:40:49 02/19/06

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On February 19, 2006 at 13:07:49, Heinz van Kempen wrote:

>One proposal. If I can be sure that nothing will be changed or falsified, why
>not open the old CEGT forum (administrator Kryukov)for all. So everyone can see
>what we all wrote there. There is nothing I have to be ashamed of, no really
>evil words, but maybe some hard discussion like also by others and only in the
>end. I was attacked and fought back in the last days and we had nice relations
>in the beginning. You will find all there including interesting posts about
>chess and testing, including psychological explanations by Uschi about group
>dynamics. When doing so, you should also give the "private section" for free.

Uri, yes I want to address you now,

if you are really as old as I think, if you are as smart and nice as I think and
if you are also willing to read what I'm telling you now, then do the right
thing. The right thing is to reflect your former message with the alleged
solution - if Heinz had written "this" (NB in email!!) then he should apologize
and else someone else should apologize. I for one find you made a faulty
message. Because even if Heinz had written that quoted part in email then this
is nothing, I quote his words, where he must be ashamed of. Please reflect what
you wrote and do please more. Read what Heinz wrote above.

The above part of his long message shows beyond doubt - to me - that Heinz is a
very valubale human with good intentions but "with something" he interesting
enough applied to other people which then cause you to argue against him and
others to leave. All have had their reasons but as it seems it is Heinz now who
sufferes the most. And therefore I call you by your honor so that you reflect
your former alternative message. Because the truth is Heinz is now completely in
a trap. Although he hasnt committed a crime. And only has good intentions to do
some good tests.

Isnt that a moment where (former?) friends should help him out?? Perhaps
everything could be worked out if all could consider how bad things are now
turning?

The quote you gave, Uri, doesnt contain anything significant for such a ballyhoo
from all sides. You all seem to forget that this here is all in a virtual
reality. So "fragile" is always meant in connection with this online writing.
So, even if that has all been written, it is nothing why now someone had to
suffer beyond his own defenses as a human being. We are not here to chase other
people, we are not scapegoating them.

I see no reason why not everybody could join a united effort to create a big
testing group or groups.

If you, Uri, and also others now reflect this all over and change your direction
then this isnt favorable for someone or humiliating for those to change. My
verdict is that objectively the whole event isnt worth sleepless nights.  This
isnt about death, about divorce, about losing real friends. This is all
happening under the dangerous sphere of online communication with its many
misunderstandings.

Uri, could you do me a favor? Do also convince Kyrill that this part you quoted
isnt lingually not a crime or an insult. Like you I see that Heinz is a bit in a
control trap where he personally thinks that everything could go into a big
chaos. But basically Heinz feels the pain of the hole the friends had left
behind when they left him. The text above is the proof for that pain.

Please give Heinz a helping hand without bad or twisted or hidden feelings. Just
help him.

I will always stand in your duty if you do this for me and in the last for Heinz
of course.

Yours, Rolf




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