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Subject: Re: reply to this one...novelties

Author: Eelco de Groot

Date: 01:25:17 02/20/06

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On February 19, 2006 at 17:36:50, Sandro Necchi wrote:

>On February 19, 2006 at 13:48:09, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>
>>I do not know.
>>The main question is if the novelty is correct.
>
>Well, if you can play it and won at that level without clear mistakes on
>opposite sides it means it is playable...a novelty should be a playable move,
>but in this case the computers believe this move is weak...this is the
>point...as it is not.
>>
>>The fact that topalov played it and won proves nothing about the objective value
>>of the novelty.
>
>so far it prove it is good...of course in chess at correct play it is draw...but
>one must find all the best moves...
>
>>
>>Uri
>
>Sandro

Hello Sandro,

Following not the computer but my own 1300 gut feeling, I probably should know
better than trying to analyze the Super-GM game, but do you think Anand could
have played better if he had brought his King in safety sooner. This is what I
got so far if Anand had deviated at move 17 with a move I conjured up myself:

[Event "MTel Masters"]
[Site "Sofia"]
[Date "2005"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Veselin Topalov"]
[Black "Viswanathan Anand"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E15 Queen's Indian Nimzovich variation, NiC QI 16.6"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. b3 Bb4+ 6. Bd2 Be7 7. Nc3 c6 8. e4 d5
9. Qc2 dxe4 10. Nxe4 Bb7 11. Neg5 c5 12. d5 exd5 13. cxd5 h6 14. Nxf7 Kxf7 15.
O-O-O Bd6 16. Nh4 Bc8 17. Re1 Na6 ({Maybe it is possible now to exchange the
Rook on h8 that is doing nothing anyway and escape into a draw? e6 is the key
square writes Topalov so Black should also prevent White getting a piece on that
square} 17...Re8 {!?!} 18. Bb5 { 18.Rxe8 does not seem better } Rxe1+ 19. Rxe1
Kg8 ({ And now at least } 20.Re6 {seems a little less dangerous than in the
game?})

[D]rnbq2k1/p5p1/1p1bRn1p/1BpP4/7N/1P4P1/P1QB1P1P/2K5 b - - 2 1

Gambit Fruit 1.0 Beta 4Bx 4 best moves for blunderchecks

00:11:20.5	2,04	15	240335758	a6 Bc4 b5 Qf5 Qc7 Be2 c4 bxc4 bxc4 Bxh6 Bxe6 Qxe6+
Kh7 Qf5+ Kh8 Be3 Nbd7 Ng6+ Kg8 Qe6+ Kh7
00:11:20.5	0,61	15	435731861	Bxe6 dxe6 a6 e7 Bxe7 Bc4+ Kf8 Qg6 Qe8 Qxh6 Qh5 Ng6+
Ke8 Qxg7 Qh7 Qxh7 Nxh7 Bd5 Ra7 Ne5
00:11:20.5	0,37	15	442073296	c4 Bxc4 b5 Bxb5 Na6 Bxa6 Bxa6 Kb1 Bc8 Qg6 Bxe6 Bxh6
Qc7 dxe6 Re8 Nf5 Rxe6 Bxg7
00:11:20.5	0,18	15	468764631	Bf8 Bc4 b5 Bxb5 c4 Bxc4 Bxe6 dxe6 Ba3+ Kd1 Be7 Qg6
Kh8 Nf5 Qf8 Qf7 Nc6 Qxf8+ Rxf8 Nxe7 Nxe7

00:19:46.1	2,14	16	595087299	a6 Bc4 b5 Qf5 Qc7 Be2 c4 bxc4 bxc4 Bxh6 Bxe6 Qxe6+
Kh7 Qf5+ Kh8 Be3 Nbd7 Ng6+ Kg8 Qe6+ Kh7 Qf7
00:19:46.1	0,57	16	682131824	Bxe6 dxe6 a6 e7 Bxe7 Bc4+ Kf8 Qg6 Qe8 Qxh6 Qh5 Ng6+
Ke8 Qxg7 Qh7 Bf7+ Kd8 Qxh7 Nxh7 Bd5 Ra7 Ne5
00:19:46.1	0,56	16	794216561	c4 Bxc4 b5 Bxb5 Na6 Nf5 Bxe6 Nxh6+ Kf8 dxe6 Rc8 Bc4
Nb4 Qg6 Qe8 Qf5 Nxa2+ Kb1
00:19:46.1	0,18	16	828993200	Bf8 Bc4 b5 Bxb5 c4 Bxc4 Bxe6 dxe6 Ba3+ Kd1 Be7 Qg6
Kh8 Nf5 Qf8 Qf7 Nc6 Qxf8+ Rxf8 Nxe7 Nxe7

00:23:12.0	2,47	17	975646500	a6 Bc4 b5 Qf5 bxc4 Rxd6 Qxd6 Qxc8+ Qf8 Qe6+ Qf7
bxc4 Qxe6 dxe6 Nc6 f4 Ne4 Nf3 Rf8 Kc2 Rb8
00:23:12.0	0,57	16	682131824	Bxe6 dxe6 a6 e7 Bxe7 Bc4+ Kf8 Qg6 Qe8 Qxh6 Qh5 Ng6+
Ke8 Qxg7 Qh7 Bf7+ Kd8 Qxh7 Nxh7 Bd5 Ra7 Ne5
00:23:12.0	0,56	16	794216561	c4 Bxc4 b5 Bxb5 Na6 Nf5 Bxe6 Nxh6+ Kf8 dxe6 Rc8 Bc4
Nb4 Qg6 Qe8 Qf5 Nxa2+ Kb1
00:23:12.0	0,18	16	828993200	Bf8 Bc4 b5 Bxb5 c4 Bxc4 Bxe6 dxe6 Ba3+ Kd1 Be7 Qg6
Kh8 Nf5 Qf8 Qf7 Nc6 Qxf8+ Rxf8 Nxe7 Nxe7

({ An alternative could be} 20.Bc4 {and now maybe 20...Na6 or 20...Nbd7}) *

[D]rnbq2k1/p5p1/1p1b1n1p/2pP4/2B4N/1P4P1/P1QB1P1P/2K1R3 b - - 2 1

00:02:14.7	0,91	13	44913668	a5 Nf5 Bxf5 Qxf5 Qf8 Re6 Nbd7 Bb5 Rd8 Bxh6 gxh6 Qg6+
Kh8 Bxd7 Be5 Rxe5 Rxd7
00:02:14.7	0,65	13	83298014	Nbd7 Bxh6 Nf8 Bg5 b5 Bxb5 Qa5 Qe2 Rb8 Bc4 N8h7 Bf4
Bxf4+ gxf4 Rb6
00:02:14.7	0,59	13	54263077	Na6 Bxh6 Nb4 Qg6 Qf8 a3 Qf7 Qxf7+ Kxf7 Bg5 b5 axb4
bxc4 bxc5 Bxc5 bxc4 Bxf2
00:02:14.7	0,58	13	88474849	h5 Nf5 Bxf5 Qxf5 Qf8 Kb1 Nbd7 f4 Kh8 Qg6 Re8 Rxe8
Qxe8 Qxe8+ Nxe8 Bd3 Nef6

00:08:04.9	0,75	14	186228387	Na6 Qg6 Nc7 Bxh6 Qf8 Re6 Nce8 Nf5 Bxe6 dxe6 Kh8 Bg5
Rd8 Kb1 Nc7
00:08:04.9	0,74	14	139065909	Nbd7 Bxh6 Nf8 Bg5 b5 Bxb5 Qa5 Qe2 Rb8 Bc4 N8h7 Qd2
Qa3+ Kb1 Nxg5 Qxg5
00:08:04.9	0,08	14	232881033	Bg4 Nf5 Kh8 Nxh6 Bh5 g4 Be8 Nf5 Bf7 Qc3 b5 Bxb5
Bxd5 Qh3+ Kg8
00:08:04.9	0,07	14	322873238	a5 Bc3 Nbd7 Nf5 Nf8 Nxd6 Qxd6 Be5 Qd7 Bxf6 gxf6 d6+
Kh8 Qe4 Rb8 Qe7 Nh7

00:15:02.3	0,80	15	484562460	Nbd7 Bxh6 Nf8 Bg5 b5 Bxb5 Qa5 Qe2 N8h7 Bc6 Nxg5
Bxa8 Nfe4 Rd1 Be5
00:15:02.3	0,35	15	506589149	Na6 Bxh6 Qc7 Nf5 Nb4 Ne7+ Qxe7 Rxe7 Nxc2 Rxg7+ Kh8
Kxc2 Bf5+ Bd3 Bxd3+ Kxd3 Nxd5 Rd7 Nb4+ Ke4 Re8+ Kf3 Be5 Rxa7
00:15:02.3	0,19	15	565689601	b5 Bxb5 Na6 Nf5 Bxf5 Qxf5 Nc7 Bc6 Rb8 Bc3 Kh8 Bxf6
gxf6 Qh5 Qf8 Kb1 c4
00:15:02.3	0,17	15	607921744	a5 Bc3 Nbd7 Nf5 Nf8 Nxd6 Qxd6 Be5 Qd8 Bc7 Qd7 Re7
Qg4 Bxb6 Bf5 d6+ Kh8

00:28:22.1	0,83	16	728365088	Nbd7 Bxh6 Nf8 Bg5 N8h7 Bd2 a6 Nf5 b5 Bd3 Nf8 Bg5
Qa5 Qd2 Qxd2+ Kxd2 Bxf5 Bxf5 Nxd5
00:28:22.1	0,22	16	985293120	b5 Bxb5 Na6 Nf5 Bxf5 Qxf5 Nc7 Bc6 Rb8 Bc3 Kh8 Bxf6
gxf6 f4 Rb4 Qh5 Qf8 Kb1
00:28:22.1	0,10	16	1116791836	a5 Bc3 Nbd7 Nf5 Nf8 Nxd6 Qxd6 Be5 Qd8 Bc7 Qd7 Re7
Qg4 Bxb6 Bf5 d6+ Kh8 Qe2
00:28:22.1	0,07	16	1167969670	Na6 Bxh6 Nb4 Qg6 Qf8 a3 Qf7 Qxf7+ Kxf7 Bg5 Na6 Re6
Be7 Rc6 Bb7 Nf5 b5 Re6


 Eelco



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