Author: Eelco de Groot
Date: 01:25:17 02/20/06
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On February 19, 2006 at 17:36:50, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>On February 19, 2006 at 13:48:09, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>
>>I do not know.
>>The main question is if the novelty is correct.
>
>Well, if you can play it and won at that level without clear mistakes on
>opposite sides it means it is playable...a novelty should be a playable move,
>but in this case the computers believe this move is weak...this is the
>point...as it is not.
>>
>>The fact that topalov played it and won proves nothing about the objective value
>>of the novelty.
>
>so far it prove it is good...of course in chess at correct play it is draw...but
>one must find all the best moves...
>
>>
>>Uri
>
>Sandro
Hello Sandro,
Following not the computer but my own 1300 gut feeling, I probably should know
better than trying to analyze the Super-GM game, but do you think Anand could
have played better if he had brought his King in safety sooner. This is what I
got so far if Anand had deviated at move 17 with a move I conjured up myself:
[Event "MTel Masters"]
[Site "Sofia"]
[Date "2005"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Veselin Topalov"]
[Black "Viswanathan Anand"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E15 Queen's Indian Nimzovich variation, NiC QI 16.6"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. b3 Bb4+ 6. Bd2 Be7 7. Nc3 c6 8. e4 d5
9. Qc2 dxe4 10. Nxe4 Bb7 11. Neg5 c5 12. d5 exd5 13. cxd5 h6 14. Nxf7 Kxf7 15.
O-O-O Bd6 16. Nh4 Bc8 17. Re1 Na6 ({Maybe it is possible now to exchange the
Rook on h8 that is doing nothing anyway and escape into a draw? e6 is the key
square writes Topalov so Black should also prevent White getting a piece on that
square} 17...Re8 {!?!} 18. Bb5 { 18.Rxe8 does not seem better } Rxe1+ 19. Rxe1
Kg8 ({ And now at least } 20.Re6 {seems a little less dangerous than in the
game?})
[D]rnbq2k1/p5p1/1p1bRn1p/1BpP4/7N/1P4P1/P1QB1P1P/2K5 b - - 2 1
Gambit Fruit 1.0 Beta 4Bx 4 best moves for blunderchecks
00:11:20.5 2,04 15 240335758 a6 Bc4 b5 Qf5 Qc7 Be2 c4 bxc4 bxc4 Bxh6 Bxe6 Qxe6+
Kh7 Qf5+ Kh8 Be3 Nbd7 Ng6+ Kg8 Qe6+ Kh7
00:11:20.5 0,61 15 435731861 Bxe6 dxe6 a6 e7 Bxe7 Bc4+ Kf8 Qg6 Qe8 Qxh6 Qh5 Ng6+
Ke8 Qxg7 Qh7 Qxh7 Nxh7 Bd5 Ra7 Ne5
00:11:20.5 0,37 15 442073296 c4 Bxc4 b5 Bxb5 Na6 Bxa6 Bxa6 Kb1 Bc8 Qg6 Bxe6 Bxh6
Qc7 dxe6 Re8 Nf5 Rxe6 Bxg7
00:11:20.5 0,18 15 468764631 Bf8 Bc4 b5 Bxb5 c4 Bxc4 Bxe6 dxe6 Ba3+ Kd1 Be7 Qg6
Kh8 Nf5 Qf8 Qf7 Nc6 Qxf8+ Rxf8 Nxe7 Nxe7
00:19:46.1 2,14 16 595087299 a6 Bc4 b5 Qf5 Qc7 Be2 c4 bxc4 bxc4 Bxh6 Bxe6 Qxe6+
Kh7 Qf5+ Kh8 Be3 Nbd7 Ng6+ Kg8 Qe6+ Kh7 Qf7
00:19:46.1 0,57 16 682131824 Bxe6 dxe6 a6 e7 Bxe7 Bc4+ Kf8 Qg6 Qe8 Qxh6 Qh5 Ng6+
Ke8 Qxg7 Qh7 Bf7+ Kd8 Qxh7 Nxh7 Bd5 Ra7 Ne5
00:19:46.1 0,56 16 794216561 c4 Bxc4 b5 Bxb5 Na6 Nf5 Bxe6 Nxh6+ Kf8 dxe6 Rc8 Bc4
Nb4 Qg6 Qe8 Qf5 Nxa2+ Kb1
00:19:46.1 0,18 16 828993200 Bf8 Bc4 b5 Bxb5 c4 Bxc4 Bxe6 dxe6 Ba3+ Kd1 Be7 Qg6
Kh8 Nf5 Qf8 Qf7 Nc6 Qxf8+ Rxf8 Nxe7 Nxe7
00:23:12.0 2,47 17 975646500 a6 Bc4 b5 Qf5 bxc4 Rxd6 Qxd6 Qxc8+ Qf8 Qe6+ Qf7
bxc4 Qxe6 dxe6 Nc6 f4 Ne4 Nf3 Rf8 Kc2 Rb8
00:23:12.0 0,57 16 682131824 Bxe6 dxe6 a6 e7 Bxe7 Bc4+ Kf8 Qg6 Qe8 Qxh6 Qh5 Ng6+
Ke8 Qxg7 Qh7 Bf7+ Kd8 Qxh7 Nxh7 Bd5 Ra7 Ne5
00:23:12.0 0,56 16 794216561 c4 Bxc4 b5 Bxb5 Na6 Nf5 Bxe6 Nxh6+ Kf8 dxe6 Rc8 Bc4
Nb4 Qg6 Qe8 Qf5 Nxa2+ Kb1
00:23:12.0 0,18 16 828993200 Bf8 Bc4 b5 Bxb5 c4 Bxc4 Bxe6 dxe6 Ba3+ Kd1 Be7 Qg6
Kh8 Nf5 Qf8 Qf7 Nc6 Qxf8+ Rxf8 Nxe7 Nxe7
({ An alternative could be} 20.Bc4 {and now maybe 20...Na6 or 20...Nbd7}) *
[D]rnbq2k1/p5p1/1p1b1n1p/2pP4/2B4N/1P4P1/P1QB1P1P/2K1R3 b - - 2 1
00:02:14.7 0,91 13 44913668 a5 Nf5 Bxf5 Qxf5 Qf8 Re6 Nbd7 Bb5 Rd8 Bxh6 gxh6 Qg6+
Kh8 Bxd7 Be5 Rxe5 Rxd7
00:02:14.7 0,65 13 83298014 Nbd7 Bxh6 Nf8 Bg5 b5 Bxb5 Qa5 Qe2 Rb8 Bc4 N8h7 Bf4
Bxf4+ gxf4 Rb6
00:02:14.7 0,59 13 54263077 Na6 Bxh6 Nb4 Qg6 Qf8 a3 Qf7 Qxf7+ Kxf7 Bg5 b5 axb4
bxc4 bxc5 Bxc5 bxc4 Bxf2
00:02:14.7 0,58 13 88474849 h5 Nf5 Bxf5 Qxf5 Qf8 Kb1 Nbd7 f4 Kh8 Qg6 Re8 Rxe8
Qxe8 Qxe8+ Nxe8 Bd3 Nef6
00:08:04.9 0,75 14 186228387 Na6 Qg6 Nc7 Bxh6 Qf8 Re6 Nce8 Nf5 Bxe6 dxe6 Kh8 Bg5
Rd8 Kb1 Nc7
00:08:04.9 0,74 14 139065909 Nbd7 Bxh6 Nf8 Bg5 b5 Bxb5 Qa5 Qe2 Rb8 Bc4 N8h7 Qd2
Qa3+ Kb1 Nxg5 Qxg5
00:08:04.9 0,08 14 232881033 Bg4 Nf5 Kh8 Nxh6 Bh5 g4 Be8 Nf5 Bf7 Qc3 b5 Bxb5
Bxd5 Qh3+ Kg8
00:08:04.9 0,07 14 322873238 a5 Bc3 Nbd7 Nf5 Nf8 Nxd6 Qxd6 Be5 Qd7 Bxf6 gxf6 d6+
Kh8 Qe4 Rb8 Qe7 Nh7
00:15:02.3 0,80 15 484562460 Nbd7 Bxh6 Nf8 Bg5 b5 Bxb5 Qa5 Qe2 N8h7 Bc6 Nxg5
Bxa8 Nfe4 Rd1 Be5
00:15:02.3 0,35 15 506589149 Na6 Bxh6 Qc7 Nf5 Nb4 Ne7+ Qxe7 Rxe7 Nxc2 Rxg7+ Kh8
Kxc2 Bf5+ Bd3 Bxd3+ Kxd3 Nxd5 Rd7 Nb4+ Ke4 Re8+ Kf3 Be5 Rxa7
00:15:02.3 0,19 15 565689601 b5 Bxb5 Na6 Nf5 Bxf5 Qxf5 Nc7 Bc6 Rb8 Bc3 Kh8 Bxf6
gxf6 Qh5 Qf8 Kb1 c4
00:15:02.3 0,17 15 607921744 a5 Bc3 Nbd7 Nf5 Nf8 Nxd6 Qxd6 Be5 Qd8 Bc7 Qd7 Re7
Qg4 Bxb6 Bf5 d6+ Kh8
00:28:22.1 0,83 16 728365088 Nbd7 Bxh6 Nf8 Bg5 N8h7 Bd2 a6 Nf5 b5 Bd3 Nf8 Bg5
Qa5 Qd2 Qxd2+ Kxd2 Bxf5 Bxf5 Nxd5
00:28:22.1 0,22 16 985293120 b5 Bxb5 Na6 Nf5 Bxf5 Qxf5 Nc7 Bc6 Rb8 Bc3 Kh8 Bxf6
gxf6 f4 Rb4 Qh5 Qf8 Kb1
00:28:22.1 0,10 16 1116791836 a5 Bc3 Nbd7 Nf5 Nf8 Nxd6 Qxd6 Be5 Qd8 Bc7 Qd7 Re7
Qg4 Bxb6 Bf5 d6+ Kh8 Qe2
00:28:22.1 0,07 16 1167969670 Na6 Bxh6 Nb4 Qg6 Qf8 a3 Qf7 Qxf7+ Kxf7 Bg5 Na6 Re6
Be7 Rc6 Bb7 Nf5 b5 Re6
Eelco
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