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Subject: Re: reply to this one...novelties

Author: Sandro Necchi

Date: 09:38:15 02/21/06

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On February 21, 2006 at 04:47:17, Uri Blass wrote:

>On February 21, 2006 at 01:23:08, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>
>I do not know if this is the case.
>I did not see adams superiority in strategy against hydra.
>
>Adams did not get superior positions only to lose for tactical errors.

Adams played in wrong way against Hydra. Kasparov explained correctly that a
computer is a different opponent and must be faced differently. He was not able
to play were he was stronger and to reduce the play of the opponent...too much
confidence or miss of opponent knowledge?

>Hydra did not have a big book so if it is correct that adams is stronger in
>strategy then he could show it in his games when hydra was out of book.

Hydra has a book full of moves by human GMs at least up to 10 or 12 each
side...it is easier for a computer program to find moves good moves at the end
of the opening or in middle game than in the early stage.
These lines were selected by a GM and not by the computer, so this contradicts
you.

>My opinion is that good evaluation is enough for it and evaluation of chess
>programs become better.

It depends against whom you are going to play...do not forget they cannot learn
much from the games played and therefore develop the openings...the GMs / human
players do.


>>>For novelties of top GM's that they do not find my guess is that most of them
>>>are not the best move and they can work only if the opponent is not ready and is
>>>not a top program.
>>
>>Sometimes they do so, but they are also moving the theory and not the
>>computers...computers rely on the book makers which refine and test variations.
>
>I believe that it is the opposite.

I know but I desagree strongly.

>
>I believe that today most of the good novelties of top GM's are based on
>analysis with computers even if computers did not suggest them.

Well, the real problem is not to find a new move, but the whole strategy behind
that move...by case or coincedence one can find the move, but did the program
see the right/stronger following moves too?

>
>I believe that humans rely on computers to find novelties and they decide to
>reject many interesting ideas that they think about because an analysis with
>computer finds that they are wrong.

I completely desagree.

>
>Uri

Sandro



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