Author: Albert Silver
Date: 12:40:16 02/22/06
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On February 22, 2006 at 14:35:09, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>On February 22, 2006 at 14:15:51, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>On February 22, 2006 at 14:08:11, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>
>>>On February 22, 2006 at 13:52:12, Albert Silver wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 22, 2006 at 13:43:25, David Dahlem wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 22, 2006 at 13:35:58, Fernando Villegas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Rolf has written a post where makes some judgements about Rybka. Some of them
>>>>>>could be considered wrong, some other can be considered worth of a thought -as
>>>>>>the one that consider a different thing to test a program in auto mode or with
>>>>>>an operator- and some others very debatable.
>>>>>>What I consider that in any case is of bad taste and unncesary no matter how you
>>>>>>see at it is the oportunity some guys has taken to attack Rolf viciously because
>>>>>>they does not like what he said about Rybka.
>>>>>>Ok, you does not agree. Yu does even think Rolf went amok.
>>>>>>So what?
>>>>>>Is that a reason for spilling blood?
>>>>>>This is an habitude that unfortunately has made big inroads here.
>>>>>>I like Rybka too, but I do not forget is just a chess program. Not motive
>>>>>>enough, in my opinion, to go further than just a calm "I do not agree".
>>>>>>Once and again, though, a tiny thing is enough here to begin a war.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fernando
>>>>>
>>>>>In my opinion, Rolf's motivation with that post WAS to start a war. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards
>>>>>Dave
>>>>
>>>>I tend to agree. I posted several test matches comparing different parameters in
>>>>the past, playing at least 120 games for each parameter, and he criticized them
>>>>saying that 120 games meant nothing statistically. Now he makes this big post on
>>>>the end of Rybka based on 4 games??
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>You must not lie if you disagree with me. Rybka played not only these four
>>>games. It was a long tournament. With Primary group, then Intermediar Group and
>>>then the Semi-final and then the Final, just like a big Soccer tournament. The
>>>winner in Soccer Tournament is the best in that tournament and the second is the
>>>loser. But that doesnt mean anything about the true strength. Only, IF Rybka
>>>were the absolute best - as all have claqimed here for months - THEN Rybka
>>>wouldnt have lost the Final with 1-3 against always "loser" Fritz
>>
>>So you basically confirm that it is based only the the 4 games of the finals,
>>since it won the other stages to reach the finals. Your only 'argument' that it
>>is not the best is based on its loss in the finals. In fact you yourself asked
>>what an expert might conclude, and of course you got your replies.
>
>
>Liar again. Where did I speak of the end of Rybka? Evidence now or shut up!
Uh-huh. In my experience, when people start to get deliberately rude or abusive,
it is because they know their arguments are very thin. Still, since you have
decided to be rude and abusive, I will no longer answer any more posts of yours.
Feel free to reply knowing you will have the last word.
What
>I said was this
>
>1) Fritz won the CSS Online Master in beating Rybka 3-1.
>
>2) This is a break of the continual performance of wins of Rybka since Dec 2005.
>
>
>Period.
What continual performance of wins? To my knowledge Rybka has only participated
in ONE major CC tournament (meaning one where the author is involved) and it
won.
The CSS Online Master is only a nice and fun private event where a user can play
any engine using any computer, any opening book (even none if they like), and
any set of parameters.
Despite this, Rybka reached the finals, so its 'continual performance of wins'
continued until the finals. It only lost the actual finals, which consisted of
only 4 games.
Albert
>
>Do you want to refutate a single or both of these statements? Some people
>produce a lot of words, but I speak out the 'true content'.
>
>Some people go berserk because they read that if someone says "Rybka lost a
>tournament" that Rybka is no longer a strong engine. But this perspective is
>their own false view which they cant attach to my messages.
>
>/ It's time that the new CCC Software prevents the existence3 of pseudo acconts.
>
> -Rolf
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