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Subject: Re: {Why I think it is important...}

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 11:12:06 02/23/06

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On February 23, 2006 at 08:18:57, Rafael Andrist wrote:

>On February 22, 2006 at 15:47:31, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On February 22, 2006 at 15:45:12, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>It would be nice to know if a particular opening position underperforms or
>>>overperforms.
>>>
>>>By that I mean, given the Elo of the players that reached the position, and the
>>>Elo of the opponents that reached the position, did the position for the side to
>>>move exceed expectations or fall below expectations?
>>>
>>>I don't think it is as simple as taking the average Elo of the side to move and
>>>the average Elo of the opponent side, and then examining the win percentage and
>>>seeing if it meets the Elo estimate within error bounds.
>>>
>>>I guess that we would have to examine all of the pairs.
>>>
>>>Does any statisical genius have a solid model for this analysis?
>>
>>Suppose that we have some opening position and it scores 40%.  Sounds pretty
>>bad.
>>
>>But now suppose that the position has 100 games and is always played by an
>>engine 400 Elo below the opponent.  In this case, instead of underperforming it
>>is overperforming stupendously.  Just looking at won/loss/draw is not nearly
>>good enough.
>
>But on the other hand, the opening may not be good enough anyway - and therefore
>higher-rated players will avoid it...

Unless they are computers.



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