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Subject: Re: Bookup 2000 (Pro) and Masterchess 5000

Author: Stephen Ham

Date: 15:31:09 02/23/06

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On February 23, 2006 at 17:28:18, Marc D wrote:

>Has anybody yet tried Bookup 2000 (Pro) and/or Masterchess 5000?
>
>What makes it better or different comapared to other databases or progs?
>
>It seems to find more moves (because it finds more transpositions) than the CB
>database thus finding more games.
>
>Is it worth the money?
>
>Hoping for a some comments and suggestions.
>
>Regards
>Marc


Hi Marc,

I'm a huge advocate of Bookup. I've used it for over a decade and it's been a
large help in organizing my opening theory and novelties for my correspondence
chess games.

However, your question, "What makes it better or different comapared to other
databases or progs?" suggests that you don't know what Bookup is. Marc, it's not
meant to be a games database, although you can turn it into one. Instead, it's a
position database. A position database is ideal for storing opening theory and
endgame analysis. And, it catches ALL transpositions.

Part of what's attractive about Bookup is its Backsolving function. If you enter
theory on the Sicelian Dragon to move 27, with an assessment of Black edge, then
that means that the Dragon favors Black all the way back toward the start
position until you find another subvariant with a different evaluation. The nice
thing about this is that once you build a large enough database (the database
comes largely empty, so you have to build it), you can look at entire openings
(e.g. King's Indian) and/or subvariations (e.g. Breyer Ruy Lopez) and determine
that White stands better, by how much, and why (seeing the specific variations
that favor White).

I upgraded to the latest version, Bookup 2000 Pro, a few months ago, but was
dissapointed in it. While it has some new bells and whistles (e.g. Ruffian is
the primary analysis engine), I see it as a regression backwards relative to
earlier models.

For example, the older version told the user how many moves of analysis followed
a certain variation. For example, do you have 300,000 moves of supporting
coverage, or 3,000, or only 3? But the new Bookup now only tracks how many
subvariations exist, leaving you blind to how many moves of theory exist!

I called Mike, the author of Bookup, to tell him these changes are idiotic. He
said he's only doing what his customers want. I can't fault him for that. But, I
did try to explain that I care less about how many subvariations Bookup contains
after 21...Bh5, and a lot more about how many moves of theory support the
evaluation that's backsolved to the present. After all, one could have
20-subvariants, but they're only 2-ply deep. So how meaningful is that? But, if
I know that I've got 15,398-ply of analysis after 21...Bh5, then I can
reasonably assume that this relatively large quantity also translates to a
quality evaluation. But only knowing that X subvariations exist, then I'm forced
to examine each and every one to see how deep they are. This defeats part of the
purpose of having Bookup.

I don't think Mike agreed with me. So, I asked that he supply a toggle switch
for the next version to allow his end-users of Bookup to chose whether we want
it to track moves or sub-variants. He said he'd "consider it."

So I recommend Bookup if you're an active chess player, Marc. If you want to
play correspondence chess against strong players, then it's almost mandatory.
But, see if you can purchase an older version first.

All the best,

Steve



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