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Subject: Re: The best program of all the times

Author: Micheal Cummings

Date: 20:22:19 04/15/99

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On April 15, 1999 at 22:47:53, Todd Durham wrote:

>On April 15, 1999 at 20:55:37, Micheal Cummings wrote:
>
>>
>>On April 15, 1999 at 19:10:24, Bertil Eklund wrote:
>>
>>>On April 15, 1999 at 09:25:41, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 15, 1999 at 01:29:09, Paulo Soares wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>All people know that Pelé and Michael Jordan had been the
>>>>>best athletes of all the times in the soccer and basket
>>>>>(I wait that no Argentine reads this). Which was the
>>>>>best chess program of all the times?
>>>>>In my opinion, "Psion", of Richard Lang.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>Paulo Soares, from Brazil
>>>>
>>>>In my opinion, it is Sargon II (Dan and Kathe Spracklen, 1979). This engine on a
>>>>6502 processor has beaten several mainframes in an official event.
>>>>
>>>>Or maybe an engine from Richard Lang, maybe the one that was in the Mephisto
>>>>Amsterdam. It was such a "quantum leap" at that time (1985).
>>>>
>>>>Or maybe the version of Rebel that ran on a small ChessMachine in Madrid in
>>>>1992. This one too has beaten a fast multiprocessor program.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Christophe
>>>Agree with all the above but don´t forget Fidelity Prestige 1982, I still play
>>>with it from time to time.I remember Smyslov lost a blitz game against it.
>>>Sargon2 was a major step it crushed Chess challenger 7,10, Voice Boris and the
>>>rest.
>>>Chessmachine was a wonder in 1991. Genius1 and Genius2 were outstanding
>>>1992-1993.
>>>
>>>Bertil SSDF
>>
>>I think none of them were great, maybe for their day, but for all time, none of
>>them. You have to go bt which is the strongest today, because they would whip
>>butt of all the program mentioned above. So it would have to come from todays
>>crop of programs.
>>
>>I would also wonder if the great Pele if he was to play today how he would rate.
>>I am sure among some of the good players, but I do not think a standout. I could
>>go on and give examples but it would just bore you.
>
>I bet Michael Jordan couldn't hit a shot either, if he were playing in today's
>NBA.  ;)
>
>Todd

The Jordon Comparison is a bit off, He retired last year, not 20 or 30 years
ago. Thats like saying if Tiger Woods retired tomorrow that he would not be
among the best in todays golfers.

You can olny make these types of comparison I think when people have been out of
the sport for a few years. And with some sports 2 years is enough. Look at
Gymnastics and Arial Freestyle Skiing, with the improved and harder tricks being
pulled of every 1/4 year, not every year, then those athaletes of the past
cannot be compared with those of today. Simply because in there day they were
great, but today they would not be as skilled or even make it on a national
sided with the way they used to play games.

Anyway its getting off chess, and with chess it is harder comparing players.
IMHO

regards

Micheal



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