Author: Thomas Mayer
Date: 14:16:43 02/24/06
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Hi Andrew, On February 24, 2006 at 17:01:44, Andrew Dados wrote: >On February 24, 2006 at 16:55:17, Thomas Mayer wrote: > >>Hi Dann, >> >>On February 24, 2006 at 16:46:22, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>On February 24, 2006 at 15:39:34, M Hurd wrote: >>> >>>>On February 24, 2006 at 15:20:29, Mike S. wrote: >>>> >>>>>First, I want to mention that I already have written a mail using the moderator >>>>>form - NOT related to any personal conflict or arguing or the like - but I think >>>>>the matter needs to be clarified because the response i got so far, clearly is >>>>>not sufficient. >>>>> >>>>>What is a clone? >>>>> >>>>>IMO the wording "clone" suggests that something incorrect or even illegal is >>>>>going on. It describes software which incorrectly consists of parts for which no >>>>>permission from the original author has been given, for use in another program >>>>>released by somebody else. >>>>> >>>>>Using "clone" to describe an engine clearly discredits the programmer. An engine >>>>>created and distributed correctly, is not a clone. This matter has been >>>>>intensively discussed and explained in the past, and it is clear that Toga II >>>>>1.x is a correct and legal open source engine, based on o.s. Fruit 2.1. >>>>>Therefore, the wording "clone" is not acceptable here. >>>>> >>>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?489033 >>>>> >>>>>I expect from the other moderators, to make this clear in CCC public. I expect >>>>>that programmers correctly participating in open source chess engine projects, >>>>>are treated fair and that the software they release, are not called clones. >>>>> >>>>>This is NOT about if an engine can play in some tournament or not, by it's rules >>>>>each. I'm not interested in that, but in avoiding public wording in CCC which >>>>>discredits someone in inacceptable manner! >>>>> >>>>>This is not a matter of taste nor just my private opinion. Again, I point the >>>>>moderators to the fact that "clone" cleary is a discrediting, incriminating >>>>>word! >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>M.Scheidl >>>> >>>> >>>>Clone Definition >>>> >>>>http://www.bellevuelinux.org/clone.html >>> >>>If we use that definition, then Toga is not a clone but a copy. >>>Clearly, Toga II is chock full of code from Fruit. >> >>Well, Toga is a slightly modified Fruit... but of course with an amazing big >>impact to it's playing strength. No doubt about that. >>Anyway it is a clone at least according to my definition. >> >>Greets, Thomas > >If some open source project goes 2 ways it is called a FORK. >So Toga is clearly a fork off Fruit codebase. outch, now that one has to me a bad sounding... but I think it is the same as with clone: >It is also a clone but there is no bad context attached to 'clone' here. as I pointed out already elsewhere... I totally agree and I have nothing bad in mind when I call it a clone in this context. Greets, Thomas
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