Author: Paul Petersson
Date: 09:51:05 02/25/06
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On February 25, 2006 at 06:46:20, James T. Walker wrote: >On February 25, 2006 at 01:59:00, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>On February 24, 2006 at 22:06:44, Graham Banks wrote: >> >>>On February 24, 2006 at 21:56:43, emerson tan wrote: >>> >>>>On February 24, 2006 at 15:07:22, James T. Walker wrote: >>>> >>>>>Obviously more games are needed! :-) >>>> >>>> >>>>More games should be play when there's a big agap in elo so that when the strong >>>>engine loses, it has many games to recover also >>> >>> >>>In a knockout tournament that I ran with 32 engines playing 30 game knockout >>>matches against each other, in ALL 31 matches, the engine that was winning after >>>20 games was the eventual winner. >>> >>>I think that the 40 game matches that SSDF play are more than sufficient, >>>especially when you consider the time taken to run the matches at 40 moves in 2 >>>hours repeating. >>> >>>I mean, in PRACTICAL terms, where does one draw the line? >>> >>>Regards, Graham. >> >>I think 40 games tell us what we want to know: >> >>A >> B >> >>(where >> is 'Much greater than' rather than shift operator) > >In the case of Fruit vs Fritz 5.32 there is no doubt that Fruit is much better. >My only point was if you want a good comparison of the two then more games are >needed. In the case of the SSDF this is accomplished by playing more games but >not necessarily between these two engines. The standing on the SSDF list >provides the "how much" one is better than the other and not just the 42 games. >I remember Fritz 5.32 as a very strong engine. Now it can't compete with old >hardware. Might be more interesting to see what it does on equal hardware. A >40.5-1.5 match is not very interesting. I also believe it might serve to >overate the stronger engine. >Jim Playing a low rated engine like Fritz 5.32 MMX is one of the most difficult tasks for a top engine. It's almost impossible to not lose at least one or two games and get a few drawn games as well. Fruit is the first engine that didn't lose a single game, and with only three draws it's performance is truly amazing and clearly better than the other top engines. Paul
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