Author: Tobias Lagemann
Date: 13:32:39 02/25/06
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Hello Tansel, >I would appreciate your experience and recommendations: > >It looks like Rybka seems to be leading all the programs currently. > >1)I am interested to see what happens on longer time controls (infinite >analysis) (ie: if a couple hours/move is allowed) > >is there any data on this? > >2) Do the leading programs superiority continue, or do some other programs do >better when couple hours of time given for each move? > >3)I am also interested to see how Hiarcs 10 does if all engines are give long >time to analyze. It sees alot, but it is very slow and do not >see many plies deep compared to other programs. > >best regards, >Tansel Turgut I've read your posting/questions about this theme a few days ago... First of all I'm sure there isn't any data about long-time-analysis games... Okay there is the "Planeten-Match" in which FGM Arno Nickel have played against long-time-thinking Engines. In my opinion, there is no big difference between the "best move" after 30min and maybe 5 hours... Sometimes the "best move" change, but nevertheless the "second best move" is good enough. Take a look at your engine-output... And take a look at the ply-deep after 30min and 5 hours. And take a look to the main-lines - and! go in the mainlines. Often their is many funny stuff in the given move order. Or in other words "Never trust a main-line" ;-) Some words to Hiarcs: I only knew Hiarcs 9 and maybe he looks slow, but he isn't. Please compare the results for this position. 1r6/Rb4kp/3pr3/3Rp1pP/6N1/1Pq3P1/4QP2/6K1 w - - 0 36 Hiarcs 9 36.Dc4 De1+ ² (0.54) Tiefe: 11/37 00:02:27 33770kN Fritz for Fun 4 (Fritz 8) 36.Dc4! ² (0.36) Tiefe: 14/48 00:07:49 415098kN Okay, only one example, but that's the way Hiarcs thinks... Slow in Deep, but very intensive! Maybe that's the reason why Hiarcs is well-known as a good Blitz-Engine. Best regards Tobias Analysis by Hiarcs 9: 36.Db5 Dc1+ 37.Kg2 µ (-0.85) Tiefe: 1/12 00:00:00 36.Tb5 ³ (-0.70) Tiefe: 1/12 00:00:00 36.Tb5 Te7 ³ (-0.70) Tiefe: 1/12 00:00:00 36.Td3 ³ (-0.68) Tiefe: 1/12 00:00:00 36.Td3 ³ (-0.68) Tiefe: 1/12 00:00:00 36.Dd2 ³ (-0.60) Tiefe: 1/12 00:00:00 36.Dd2 Dxd2 ³ (-0.60) Tiefe: 1/12 00:00:00 36.Dd1 ³ (-0.42) Tiefe: 1/12 00:00:00 36.Dd1 Db4 ³ (-0.42) Tiefe: 1/12 00:00:00 36.De3 ³ (-0.35) Tiefe: 1/12 00:00:00 36.De3 Dxe3 37.Sxe3 ³ (-0.33) Tiefe: 1/12 00:00:00 36.De3 Dxe3 37.Sxe3 ³ (-0.33) Tiefe: 2/12 00:00:00 36.Db5 Dc1+ 37.Kg2 ³ (-0.29) Tiefe: 2/12 00:00:00 36.Db5 Dc1+ 37.Kg2 = (-0.08) Tiefe: 2/12 00:00:00 36.Db5 Dc8 37.h6+ = (-0.08) Tiefe: 2/12 00:00:00 36.Db5 Dc8 37.Se3 = (-0.02) Tiefe: 3/14 00:00:00 36.Db5 Dc7 37.h6+ Kg8 38.Dd3 = (-0.11) Tiefe: 4/14 00:00:00 36.Db5 Dc8 37.Dd3 Dc6 38.Se3 = (-0.18) Tiefe: 5/16 00:00:00 19kN 36.Db5 Dc8 37.Dd3 Dc6 38.Se3 ³ (-0.44) Tiefe: 6/21 00:00:00 79kN 36.Db5 De1+ 37.Kg2 Te7 38.h6+ Kf7 ³ (-0.47) Tiefe: 6/21 00:00:00 84kN 36.De3 Dxe3 ³ (-0.46) Tiefe: 6/21 00:00:00 94kN 36.De3 Dxe3 37.Sxe3 Kf6 38.Sg4+ Kf7 39.b4 ³ (-0.30) Tiefe: 6/21 00:00:00 99kN 36.Se3 Kg8 ³ (-0.30) Tiefe: 6/21 00:00:01 134kN 36.Se3 Kh8 37.Tb5 Dc8 38.Dg4 Dc1+ 39.Dd1 Dxd1+ ³ (-0.27) Tiefe: 6/21 00:00:01 139kN 36.Se3 Kh8 37.Tb5 Dc1+ 38.Dd1 Dc8 39.Dg4 Dc1+ 40.Sd1 Te7 ³ (-0.44) Tiefe: 7/21 00:00:01 285kN 36.De3 Dxe3 37.Sxe3 Kf6 38.Sg4+ Kf7 39.b4 ³ (-0.43) Tiefe: 7/24 00:00:02 310kN 36.De3 Dxe3 37.Sxe3 Kf6 38.Sg4+ Kf7 39.b4 = (-0.13) Tiefe: 7/24 00:00:02 322kN 36.De3 Dxe3 37.Sxe3 Kf6 38.Sg4+ Kf7 39.b4 = (0.13) Tiefe: 8/26 00:00:03 727kN 36.De3 Dxe3 37.fxe3 h6 38.e4 = (0.13) Tiefe: 8/26 00:00:04 740kN 36.De3 Dxe3 37.fxe3 h6 38.e4 ² (0.38) Tiefe: 9/29 00:00:09 1831kN 36.De3 Dxe3 37.fxe3 h6 38.e4 ² (0.42) Tiefe: 9/29 00:00:09 1873kN 36.De3 Dxe3 37.fxe3 Kh8 38.Tb5 Te7 39.Sf6 Tc7 40.Tb6 Tc1+ 41.Kf2 ² (0.38) Tiefe: 10/30 00:00:18 3841kN 36.De3 Dc6 37.Dxg5+ Kh8 38.Sf6 Tf8 39.h6 Te7 40.b4 Tef7 41.g4 Dc2 42.Txb7 Txb7 ² (0.53) Tiefe: 11/36 00:01:05 14894kN 36.Dc4 De1+ ² (0.54) Tiefe: 11/37 00:02:27 33770kN 36.Dc4 De1+ 37.Kg2 Te7 38.Txb7 Texb7 39.Txd6 Te7 40.Dd5 Tbe8 41.Sf6 Tf8 42.h6+ Kh8 43.Td8 ² (0.61) Tiefe: 11/38 00:02:31 34610kN 36.Dc4 De1+ 37.Kg2 Te7 38.Txb7 Texb7 39.Txd6 Te7 40.Dd5 Tbe8 41.Sf6 Tf8 42.h6+ Kh8 43.Td8 ± (0.86) Tiefe: 12/40 00:03:14 44296kN 36.Dc4 Dxc4 37.bxc4 Kf8 38.Tb5 Te7 39.Tb6 Tc7 40.Se3 Tf7 41.Txd6 ± (1.22) Tiefe: 12/40 00:03:41 50260kN 36.Dc4 Dxc4 37.bxc4 Kf7 38.Tb5 Te7 39.Tb6 Ke6 40.c5 Td7 41.Sxe5 Kxe5 42.c6 ± (1.34) Tiefe: 13/42 00:07:14 99375kN 36.Dc4 Dxc4 37.bxc4 Kf7 38.Tb5 Te7 39.Tb6 Kf8 40.Sh6 Tc7 41.Sf5 d5 42.Sd6 dxc4 43.Tb5 Td8 +- (1.46) Tiefe: 14/45 00:17:10 236325kN Analysis by Fritz for Fun 4: 36.De3 Dxe3 37.fxe3 Kf8 38.Tb5 Te7 39.Sf6 Kg7 40.Se4 d5 41.Sxg5 = (0.11) Tiefe: 7/21 00:00:00 102kN 36.De3! ² (0.39) Tiefe: 8/25 00:00:00 250kN 36.De3 Dxe3 37.fxe3 Kf8 38.Tb5 Te7 39.Sf6 Tc7 40.e4 Kg7 41.Sd5 ² (0.52) Tiefe: 8/25 00:00:00 413kN 36.De3 Dxe3 37.fxe3 Kf8 38.Tb5 Te7 39.Sf6 Tc7 40.e4 Kg7 41.Sd5 ² (0.52) Tiefe: 9/25 00:00:01 784kN 36.De3 Dxe3 37.fxe3 Kf8 38.Tb5 Te7 39.Sf6 Tc7 40.e4 Kg7 41.Sd5 ² (0.52) Tiefe: 10/29 00:00:02 1914kN 36.De3 Dc6 37.Dxg5+ Kh8 38.Sf6 Tc8 39.Kh2 Db6 40.De3 Dc7 41.Se4 Tf8 ² (0.70) Tiefe: 11/31 00:00:07 5771kN 36.De3-- ² (0.42) Tiefe: 12/33 00:00:13 11591kN 36.De3 Dc6 37.Dxg5+ Kh8 38.Sf6 Tc8 39.Df5 Te7 40.Ta1 Dc7 41.Td3 e4 42.Td4 = (0.20) Tiefe: 12/33 00:00:17 14233kN 36.Se3! = (0.20) Tiefe: 12/35 00:00:39 34068kN 36.Se3 Tf6 37.Txd6 Txd6 38.Sf5+ Kg8 39.Sxd6 Lf3 40.Df1 Dc5 41.Td7 Lc6 ² (0.28) Tiefe: 12/35 00:00:50 43921kN 36.Se3 Kh8 37.Tb5 Te7 38.Sd5 Dc1+ 39.Df1 Dxf1+ 40.Kxf1 Tf7 41.h6 e4 42.Ke2 = (0.22) Tiefe: 13/37 00:01:44 91563kN 36.De3! = (0.23) Tiefe: 13/37 00:01:47 93808kN 36.De3-- = (-0.05) Tiefe: 14/48 00:03:44 197743kN 36.De3 Dc6 37.Dxg5+ = (-0.05) Tiefe: 14/48 00:03:55 206697kN 36.Se3! = (-0.05) Tiefe: 14/48 00:04:21 229988kN 36.Se3! = (0.11) Tiefe: 14/48 00:04:48 253797kN 36.Se3 Kh8 37.Tb5 Dc6 38.Sd5 Tee8 39.Dc4 Dxc4 40.bxc4 Lxd5 41.Txd5 Tb6 42.Kg2 Tc8 43.Tb5 ² (0.36) Tiefe: 14/48 00:05:36 296694kN 36.Dc4! ² (0.36) Tiefe: 14/48 00:07:49 415098kN 36.Dc4! ² (0.52) Tiefe: 14/48 00:07:52 418191kN 36.Dc4! ± (0.83) Tiefe: 14/48 00:08:03 427917kN 36.Dc4 Dxc4 37.bxc4 Kf8 38.Tb5 Te7 39.Sh6 Td7 40.Sf5 e4 41.Sd4 Tf7 +- (1.45) Tiefe: 14/49 00:08:19 441694kN 36.Dc4! +- (1.73) Tiefe: 15/43 00:08:54 472430kN 36.Dc4-- +- (1.45) Tiefe: 16/33 00:11:48 631973kN 36.Dc4 Dxc4 37.bxc4 +- (1.45) Tiefe: 16/58 00:12:47 683517kN 36.Dc4! +- (1.73) Tiefe: 17/48 00:25:11 1363415kN 36.Dc4! +- (2.01) Tiefe: 18/57 00:53:16 2902282kN
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