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Subject: Re: How Greedy is your Program? Good Positional Test!

Author: odell hall

Date: 12:50:36 04/16/99

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On April 16, 1999 at 15:03:51, Paulo Soares wrote:

>On April 15, 1999 at 23:15:08, odell hall wrote:
>
>>Hi
>>
>>
>>The below position is taken from the Book Secrets of Chess Analysis by Jan
>>timman.
>>
>>3q1rk1/1p3p2/r2p2pb/P1pP1n1p/2N2P2/1QPP4/6BP/1R3RK1 w - - id Geller - Spaasky;
>>
>>
>>28. Be4!!!  Timman remarks "White appreciates the strength of the strongpoint f5
>>and defers the capture on b7, which would give black the chance for a promising
>>exchange sacrifice.  28. Qxb7, Rxa5 29.Nxa5, Qxa5 and now 29.Qb2(to be able to
>>defend important weak points from d2 or c2).
>>
>>
>>I tested rebel on this position and it simply could not resist the pawn on b7!
>> However hiarcs6 after 82 sec Chose  28. Bh3!! which I think is about the same
>>as Be4.  In my opinion this is a excellent positional test for computer programs
>>to see just how well they understand position. I suspect that only the strongest
>>programs will be able to resist the juicy pawn on B7.  I also Tested MChess 8
>>which chose Be4 after one minute thought and +76 evaluation.
>
>
>Odell,
>
>PII-300 HT=32
>		Move    Depth	Time(s)	Eval(1 pawn=128)
>Hiarcs7.01 	Qxb7      9      317    +133
>		Qxb7     10      441    + 82
>
>Hiarcs7.01 when analyzing 3 moves(monitor mode):
>		Depth    Move   Eval(1 pawn=128)
>		  9      Qxb7   +134
>                         Be4    +134
>			 Bh3    +115
>Time:  240s(aprox.)
>
>
>Fritz5.32 when analyzing 3 moves(infinite analysis):
>		Depth    Move   Eval
>		 12      Be4    +0.53
>                         Bh3    +0.53
>			 Qxb7   +0.53
>Time:  240s(aprox.)
>
>
>		As I wrote in my last post, the evaluations
>are very seemed, it's difficult to conclude something in this
>position.
>	        My Hiarcs6 also considers 28.Qxb7. Your Hiarcs
>is running as a Fritz engine? This could justify the differents
>moves.


Hi Paul


  No I am running The full program Hiarcs6 on cyrix 233, ofcourse I only let it
think for 1 min 7 sec it comes up with Bh3 after this time period, but considers
Qxb7 until then.  According to Jan Timmnin Qxb7 is not good, thus he is the
authority that I base my conclusions.  I believe most strong masters would play
be4 or bh3 instead of qxb7. Which is the point of my post.
>Regards,
>
>Paulo Soares.



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