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Subject: Re: engines and openings: can engines guide human play?

Author: Shaun Brewer

Date: 00:59:54 03/01/06

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On February 28, 2006 at 15:44:22, Joseph Ciarrochi wrote:

>(yes you have the right position)
>
>He doesn't go as far as h5, he just reassures you that "blacks mobile pawn mass"
>will get you out of all sorts of troubles. However, yes you are right, the comps
>play h5, and the mobile pawn mass can itself be put under pressure.
>
>And one thing that andrew does, that i have never found a computer willing to
>do. Giving white that supported passed pawn on d5.
>
>I mean, you are right, the position is not really played at the top level. I
>suppose andrew is trying to give you a "novelty" but sheesh, who wants to defend
>against a supported past pawn for an entire game
>
>best
>Joseph

I let Fritz and Toga work on h5 just in case - now for some Rybka tests.

New game
2kr3r/ppq2p2/1n1b2p1/B1pPpp1P/2P5/1B6/PP2QPP1/2KR3R b - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 9:

1...gxh5 2.Rxh5 Rxh5 3.Qxh5 Qd7 4.Bxb6 axb6 5.Kb1 e4 6.Qe2 Kb8
  ²  (0.47)   Depth: 7/23   00:00:00  120kN
1...gxh5 2.Rxh5 Rxh5 3.Qxh5 Qd7 4.Bxb6 axb6 5.Kb1 e4 6.Qe2 Kb8 7.g3
  ²  (0.47)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:00  241kN
1...gxh5 2.Rxh5 Rxh5 3.Qxh5 Qd7 4.Kb1 e4 5.Bxb6 axb6 6.Qe2 Kb8 7.Rh1 Re8
  ²  (0.47)   Depth: 9/26   00:00:01  579kN
1...gxh5 2.Bc2 e4 3.f3 Rde8 4.Kb1 Qe7 5.fxe4 fxe4 6.Bxb6 axb6 7.Qe3
  ²  (0.56)   Depth: 10/28   00:00:08  1317kN
1...gxh5 2.Rxh5 Rxh5 3.Qxh5 Qd7 4.Bc2 e4 5.Qe2 Re8 6.Bxb6 axb6 7.f3 b5 8.cxb5
  ²  (0.55)   Depth: 11/34   00:00:35  4351kN
1...gxh5 2.Rxh5 Rxh5 3.Qxh5 Qd7 4.Bxb6 axb6 5.Bc2 e4 6.Qe2 Re8 7.f3 Qe7 8.Qe3
Rg8
  ²  (0.62)   Depth: 12/30   00:01:06  11191kN
1...gxh5 2.Rxh5 Rxh5 3.Qxh5 Qd7 4.Bxb6 axb6 5.Bc2 e4 6.Qe2 Re8 7.f3 Qe7 8.Qe3
  ²  (0.62)   Depth: 13/33   00:02:17  27164kN
1...Rh7!
  ²  (0.61)   Depth: 13/34   00:03:28  45999kN
1...Rh7 2.g4 Rdh8 3.f3 Kb8 4.Bc2 Rh6 5.Rd3 gxh5 6.gxf5 h4 7.Rb3
  ²  (0.61)   Depth: 13/34   00:03:51  52908kN
1...Rh7 2.g4 Rdh8 3.f3 Rh6 4.Bc2 f4 5.Kb1 Qd8 6.Qg2 Kb8 7.hxg6 fxg6
  ±  (0.87)   Depth: 14/37   00:06:09  86701kN
1...gxh5!
  ±  (0.87)   Depth: 14/37   00:06:30  92761kN
1...gxh5!
  ±  (0.71)   Depth: 14/37   00:06:59  99369kN
1...gxh5 2.Rxh5 Rxh5 3.Qxh5 Qd7 4.Bxb6 axb6 5.Bc2 e4 6.Qe2 Re8 7.f3 Qe7 8.Kb1
  ²  (0.68)   Depth: 14/37   00:07:33  108550kN
1...gxh5 2.Rxh5 Rxh5 3.Qxh5 Qd7 4.Bxb6 axb6 5.Bc2 e4 6.Qe2 Re8 7.f3 Qe7 8.Kb1
Kb8
  ²  (0.68)   Depth: 15/38   00:14:06  211251kN
1...gxh5 2.Rxh5 Rxh5 3.Qxh5 Qd7 4.Bxb6 axb6 5.Bc2 e4 6.Qe2 Re8 7.f3 Kb8 8.Kb1 e3
9.g4 f4
  ²  (0.66)   Depth: 16/40   00:33:03  458823kN
1...gxh5 2.Rxh5 Rxh5 3.Qxh5 Qd7 4.Bxb6 axb6 5.Bc2 e4 6.Qe2 Re8 7.f3 Kb8 8.Kb1 e3
9.g4 f4
  ²  (0.70)   Depth: 17/43   01:23:37  1069988kN
1...Kb8!
  ²  (0.69)   Depth: 17/43   02:23:18  2022096kN
1...Qd7!
  ²  (0.69)   Depth: 17/43   02:59:48  2579224kN
1...Qd7 2.Bc2 Kb8 3.Kb1 gxh5 4.Bxb6 axb6 5.Rxh5 Rxh5 6.Qxh5 e4
  ²  (0.70)   Depth: 18/46   03:57:32  4029820kN
1...Qd7 2.Bc2 Kb8 3.g4 fxg4 4.hxg6 fxg6 5.Bxg6 Rh3 6.Bxb6 axb6 7.Kb1 Rdh8 8.Rhg1
  ²  (0.70)   Depth: 19/50   06:08:04  8889452kN
1...Kb8!
  ²  (0.70)   Depth: 19/50   06:30:44  9787138kN
1...Kb8 2.Kb1 gxh5 3.Rxh5 Rxh5 4.Qxh5 Qd7 5.Bxb6 axb6 6.Qg5 Re8 7.Qf6 Ka7 8.Rh1
e4
  ²  (0.61)   Depth: 19/50   07:33:20  12245467kN
1...Kb8 2.Kb1 Qd7 3.hxg6 fxg6 4.Bc2 Rxh1 5.Rxh1 e4 6.f3 exf3 7.gxf3 Re8 8.Qd3
Qd8 9.Ka1
  ±  (0.72)   Depth: 20/53   11:37:11  21786292kN
1...Qd7!
  ±  (0.71)   Depth: 20/53   14:04:13  27589881kN
1...Qd7 2.Bc2 e4 3.hxg6 fxg6 4.Kb1 Qe7 5.Rhe1 Rh2 6.Bxb6 axb6 7.f3 e3 8.Qd3
  ²  (0.64)   Depth: 20/53   16:14:26  32671215kN

2kr3r/ppq2p2/1n1b2p1/B1pPpp1P/2P5/1B6/PP2QPP1/2KR3R b - - 0 1

Analysis by Toga II 1.1a:

1...Kb8 2.hxg6 fxg6 3.Rxh8 Rxh8
  =  (0.07)   Depth: 1/7   00:00:00
1...Kb8 2.h6
  ²  (0.32)   Depth: 2/13   00:00:00
1...Kb8 2.h6 e4
  ²  (0.44)   Depth: 3/13   00:00:00
1...Kb8 2.h6 e4 3.Kb1
  ±  (0.73)   Depth: 4/13   00:00:01
1...Kb8 2.h6 Bf8 3.Bxb6 axb6 4.Qe3
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 5/13   00:00:01
1...Kb8 2.h6 f6 3.Kb1 e4 4.Bc3
  ±  (0.81)   Depth: 6/13   00:00:01  10kN
1...Kb8 2.Kb1 e4 3.h6 Bf4 4.h7 f6 5.Bxb6 Qxb6
  ±  (0.82)   Depth: 7/18   00:00:02  62kN
1...Rh7 2.hxg6 fxg6 3.Bc3 Rdh8 4.Rxh7 Rxh7 5.f4 e4
  ±  (0.81)   Depth: 7/20   00:00:03  91kN
1...Qe7 2.Kb1 Kb8 3.Bc3 Rh6 4.Bd2 Rxh5 5.Rxh5 gxh5 6.Qxh5
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 7/21   00:00:03  129kN
1...Qe7 2.Kb1 Qg5 3.Bd2 f4 4.hxg6 Qxg6+ 5.Bc2 Qxg2
  ±  (0.78)   Depth: 8/22   00:00:05  260kN
1...Qe7 2.h6 Kb8 3.Bd2 Rh7 4.Rde1 e4 5.Kb1 Be5
  ±  (0.84)   Depth: 9/22   00:00:09  448kN
1...Rh7 2.Rh3 e4 3.Kb1 Bf4 4.g3 Be5 5.f4 Bd4
  ±  (0.78)   Depth: 9/22   00:00:09  741kN
1...Rh7 2.g4 Rdh8 3.f3 Kb8 4.Bc2 fxg4 5.fxg4 Qc8 6.Kb1 f5 7.Bxb6 axb6
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 10/22   00:00:11  743kN
1...Rh7 2.g4 Rdh8 3.f3 Kb8 4.Bc2 fxg4 5.fxg4 Qc8 6.Kb1 f5 7.Bxb6 axb6
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 11/22   00:00:14  746kN
1...Rh7 2.g4 Rdh8 3.f3 Kb8 4.Bc2 Be7 5.Kb1 Rh6 6.Bc3 Nd7 7.Bd2
  ±  (0.74)   Depth: 12/27   00:00:29  2766kN
1...Rh7 2.g4 Rdh8 3.f3 Kb8 4.Bc2 fxg4 5.fxg4 Be7 6.Kb1 Bf6 7.Bd2 Rd8 8.hxg6
  ±  (0.81)   Depth: 13/27   00:00:39  3761kN
1...Rh7 2.g4 Rdh8 3.f3 Kb8 4.Bc2 Be7 5.Kb1 Qd6 6.Bd2 f4 7.Rhe1 Bf6 8.hxg6
  ±  (0.78)   Depth: 14/28   00:02:16  14185kN
1...Rh7 2.g4 Rdh8 3.f3 Kb8 4.Bc2 Qd7 5.Rhg1 fxg4 6.fxg4 Rg7 7.Kb1 gxh5 8.gxh5
Rhg8 9.Rxg7 Rxg7 10.Bxb6 axb6
  ±  (0.87)   Depth: 15/32   00:03:36  23113kN
1...Kb8 2.g4 fxg4 3.hxg6 f5 4.f3 g3 5.Qg2 f4 6.Bc2 Qd7 7.Kb1 Nxc4 8.Bxd8 Rxd8
9.Rh7
  ±  (0.83)   Depth: 15/36   00:07:52  50518kN
1...Kb8 2.g4 gxh5 3.gxh5 e4 4.Kb1 Bf4 5.f3 e3 6.Qd3 Rde8 7.Qxf5 e2 8.Rdg1 Re3
9.Bxb6 axb6 10.Qf6 Rxh5 11.Rg8+ Ka7
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 16/36   00:13:16  87373kN
1...Kb8 2.g4 gxh5 3.gxh5 e4 4.Kb1 Bf4 5.Rdg1 Qd6 6.Rg7 Qe7 7.Bc3 Bh6 8.Rg2 f6
9.Rg6 Bg5 10.h6
  ±  (0.72)   Depth: 17/37   00:33:33  210562kN
1...Kb8 2.g4 gxh5 3.gxh5 e4 4.Kb1 Bf4 5.f3 e3 6.Rdg1 Bh6 7.Bc3 Rhg8 8.Bf6 Rde8
9.Bc2 Qf4 10.Bd3 Bg5
  ±  (0.79)   Depth: 18/37   00:43:49  273781kN
1...Kb8 2.g4 gxh5 3.gxh5 e4 4.Kb1 Bf4 5.f3 e3 6.Qd3 Qc8 7.Rdg1 Rde8 8.Rh4 Bh6
9.Bxb6 axb6 10.Ba4 Reg8 11.Rhh1 Bf4
  ±  (0.81)   Depth: 19/41   00:50:35  318610kN
1...Kb8 2.g4 gxh5 3.gxh5 e4 4.Kb1 Bf4 5.f3 e3 6.Qd3 Rde8 7.Bc3 f6 8.Rde1 Qd7
9.Bxf6 Rh6 10.Bc3 Na4 11.Ba5 Rg8
  ±  (0.81)   Depth: 20/48   02:01:04  765224kN
1...Kb8 2.g4 gxh5 3.gxh5 e4 4.Kb1 Bf4 5.f3 e3 6.Qd3 Qc8 7.Rdg1 Rde8 8.Bc3 Rh6
9.Rg2 Qd7 10.Bc2 Na4 11.Bg7 Rb6 12.Qxf5
  ±  (0.86)   Depth: 21/52   03:47:13  1415378kN
1...Qe7 2.g4 Rdg8 3.Bc2 gxh5 4.Bxf5+ Kb8 5.Kb1 Qg5 6.Bd2 Qf6 7.f3 hxg4 8.fxg4
Rxh1 9.Rxh1 Rh8 10.Rxh8+ Qxh8 11.b3 Qh4 12.Kb2 Qh1 13.Be4 Qh4 14.Be3
  ±  (0.85)   Depth: 21/55   12:54:44  4062962kN





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