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Subject: Re: Kramnik-Fritz

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 10:04:07 03/01/06

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On March 01, 2006 at 11:41:52, Tony Nichols wrote:

>On March 01, 2006 at 09:53:23, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On March 01, 2006 at 09:11:59, Tony Nichols wrote:
>>
>>>On March 01, 2006 at 09:09:58, David Dahlem wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 01, 2006 at 08:47:34, Sune Larsson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On March 01, 2006 at 08:20:05, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On March 01, 2006 at 07:34:19, Pablo Ignacio Restrepo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Challenger.  Pablo Ignacio Restrepo is making now this challenger:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"CHALLENGER TO TOP ENGINES: IN NEXT 10 YEARS WILL BE LOOSING OR MAKING DRAWS,
>>>>>>>MANY TOP ENGINES, PLAYING AGAINST AMATEURS AND STRONG CHESS PLAYERS."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
>>>>>>>Tittle: Amateur
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      I don't understand what you mean with this posting.
>>>>>>      Best regards
>>>>>>      Kurt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Maybe his post is some sort of prediction for the coming match between
>>>>>   Kramnik and Fritz?!
>>>>>
>>>>>   http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2947
>>>>>
>>>>>   /S
>>>>
>>>>"One Million US Dollars for a win against the world's strongest chess program"
>>>>
>>>>LOL ... what propoganda! :-)
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello Dave,
>>>
>>> I think more important is the fact, Kramnik will get $500,000 just to play. If
>>>he had not drawn Deep Fritz in 2002, I think someone else would have got this
>>>match.
>>>Regards
>>>Tony
>>
>>Do you suggest that kramnik earn money from not winning Deep Fritz in 2002.
>>
>>Kramnik was very close to winning but started to play like a patzer and lost
>>because of mistakes that even I expect myself to avoid in most games(one ply
>>mistake and resigning in practically drawn position because fritz could not win
>>it).
>>
>>Did chessbase promise kramnik another match if he does not win the match in
>>2002?
>>
>>I think that humans who only draw should not get another match unless all the
>>players with higher rating get another match and lose it.
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>Hello Uri,
>
> It is a fact that Kramnik earned money for the match in 2002. It is also a fact
>that he did not win. So the answer to your question is yes.
> I do not think Chessbase promised Kramnik anything but a check.
> I think that if Kramnik had won the match in 2002, Chessbase would not be so
>interested in a rematch.

If this is correct then it clearly support my theory that kramnik lost on
purpose.

 A draw is a mutually satisfying result. Kramnik gets
>$500,000 and Chessbase gets to say that the World Champion could not beat their
>program in a match!
> It must be understood that these matches are not designed to determine who is
>the strongest player. They are a way to advertise products. Of course, Kramnik
>has at least 500,000 reasons to win the match and Chessbase would do well to win
>also.
> If I remember correctly, In 2002 they played 8 games. Now, Only 6. This
>definitely favors Kramnik. If they had played only 6 games in 2002 he would have
>won.

This is not correct.

Kramnik was leading 3-1 in 2002 and lost games 5 and 6.

see http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=561

I believe that he lost on purpose in order to have another match but even if we
assume that he did not lose on purpose then there is no evidence for a win for
kramnik after 6 games.


> I think the reason Kramnik gets the match is because he is marketable. This is
>not a democratic process. The average public does not care if GM so and so plays
>against a computer, but if the World Champion plays against the computer, it is
>something else.
>
>Regards
>Tony

I think that most of the chess players consider topalov as the world champion
and not kramnik.

Uri



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