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Subject: Re: chess programmer

Author: Tord Romstad

Date: 03:10:57 03/02/06

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On March 01, 2006 at 11:09:54, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>Yet in order to make a chess engine i feel the rating strength of a programmer
>is not most important.

Yes, we all agree about this.

>Analytical insight in chess is more interesting to have.
>In that area most European programmers have a major advantage to the rest of the
>world.
>
>Take for example Richard Pijl:
>  2400 7704389 Pijl                R.L.              M 1776  29-
>
>This national rating is about 2076 USCF or 1900 British rating.
>So considerable less than the list quoted above.
>
>Because Richard plays already whole his life in Dutch league, his positional and
>strategical knowledge of the game is much bigger than for example Anthony
>Cozzie.
>
>This where in a straight duel between Anthony and Richard, Richard really has no
>chance at all. Anthony is at least 2150 European rating. Or that translates to
>champion of some major city in USA :)

I have no idea what you are trying to say in the quoted text above, so I
can't give any comments on it.

>IMHO the first basic skill you need is to be a very good programmer who is
>extremely good in debugging

I think neither good programming skills nor good debugging skills are
required, either.  I am an awful chess player (my rating would have
been less than 1000, I think) and just an average programmer, but given
enough time I am fairly sure I could improve my program at least to the
level of Shredder 9.

>and who *wants* to debug his program.

*This* is the important thing.  Writing a strong chess program doen't require
any particular skills, it just requires stubbornness and motivation, combined
with the weird kind of insanity you need to find this hobby fun.

>It would be wrong to not qualify Johannes as a top programmer.

Depends on your definition of a "top programmer", of course.  I would define
it as being the authors of one of the top programs, and as you can see from
the various rating lists the last public version of Jonny is still a few
steps behind them.

On the other hand, as I also wrote in my previous post, I have no doubt
that Johannes has the potential to become one of the top programmers.
If he is motivated and keeps working, he will get there.

Tord



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