Author: Reinhard Scharnagl
Date: 03:29:33 03/04/06
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On March 04, 2006 at 06:24:26, Tord Romstad wrote: >On March 04, 2006 at 05:57:01, Reinhard Scharnagl wrote: > >>On March 04, 2006 at 05:28:49, Tord Romstad wrote: >> >>>On March 03, 2006 at 23:44:04, Swaminathan wrote: >>> >>>>I wonder what exactly is wrong with shuffle chess? >>> >>>Nothing. And shuffle chess is not better (nor worse) than FRC >>>for testing engines. They are simply two slightly different games, >>>and which game you prefer is a matter of taste. >> >>Veto! Of course Chess960 is a compatible superset to traditional chess. >>Any Chess960 aware engine also could play traditional chess and also >>Shuffle Chess. Thus there is a hierarchy of compatibility, where Chess960 >>is top and Shuffle Chess is bottom. > >I am not sure what you are trying to say here, or how it contradicts anythig >I said. I said that shuffle chess and FRC are slightly different games, and >as far as I can see you say exactly the same, and proceed to add a few >obvious remarks about how the two games relate from a chess engine's >point of view. > >FRC and shuffle chess are two different supersets of normal chess. Arguing >about whether one of them is "better" than the other is as pointless as >arguing about whether blondes are prettier than brunettes. Shuffle Chess is no superset to traditional chess, because it does not support castlings. Thus traditional chess is not a member of Shuffle Chess, but instead it belongs to Chess960. Because of those facts the experiences got from Chess960 have a high relevance also for traditional chess. That is in contrast not true with Shuffle Chess. Reinhard. >>Chess960 is not merely some new chess variant. > >How do you define a chess variant? FRC and chess are obviously not the >same game. A game is defined by a set of rules, and the rules of FRC are >clearly different from the rules of chess. On the other hand, it is obvious >that FRC is very closely related to chess. A more clear-cut and obvious >example of a chess variant is hard to find, IMHO. > >Tord
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