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Subject: Re: Endgame: Best Move and Tuning

Author: allan johnson

Date: 19:46:47 03/04/06

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On March 04, 2006 at 16:48:33, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On March 04, 2006 at 16:30:09, Charles Roberson wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>    Telepath drew a won endgame in a blitz match this week. The position is:
>>     8/8/8/5BB1/8/3p1kpp/7P/7K w - - 0 76
>>
>>    It only searched 6 ply and played Bxh3.
>>    At 10 ply it played Bxd3.
>>
>>    Seems to me the better move is Bxd3 or h2xg3.
>>    I've tried upping the outside passer value by 4x and adjusting
>>     the code to call the d3 pawn an outside passer. Now, it makes
>>     Bxd3 at 9 ply and h2xg3 at 10 ply then Bxd3 at 11 ply.
>>
>>    Seems I should be able to adjust it to see this earlier or would
>>    that be overtuning?
>
>Rybka likes Kg1 (which wins, but is a very puzzling choice because hxg3
>obviously wins very easily.)  Considering Rybka's long struggle to get off of
>the drawing Bxd3 I would not be too worried about it if my program struggled
>with it a while also.  However, a 6 ply depth is a great concern if your program
>has more than one second of think time.  Why so shallow?  Severe time pressure?
>
>Analysis from e:\ttt.epd
>3/4/2006 1:34:36 PM Level: 999 Seconds
>Analyzing engine: Rybka v1.01 Preview 2.w32
>
>1) 0 76
>    Avoid move:
>    Best move (Rybka v1.01 Preview 2.w32): Kh1-g1


Dann I'm puzzled.Your  Rbyka programme does not consider hxg3 [21#] in 00.08.56
whereas Mike Hurd version announces mate in 21 in 4 seconds.Is this because of
computer hardware or tablebases or is it something else I'm missing?
Al
>    Not found in: 16:39
>      3	00:00	       5.744	74.453	+6.63	Bf5xd3
>      4	00:00	       7.300	78.686	+6.95	Bf5xd3
>      5	00:00	       8.974	82.787	+5.80	Bf5xd3 Kf3g4
>      6	00:00	      11.816	109.005	+6.69	Bf5xd3 Kf3g4 Bg5c1
>      7	00:00	       7.248	58.904	+6.69	Bf5xd3 Kf3g4 Bg5c1 g3g2+ Kh1g1 Kg4h5
>      8	00:00	      19.898	107.807	+6.75	Bf5xd3 Kf3g4 Bg5c1 g3xh2 Kh1xh2 Kg4h4
>Bd3f5
>      9	00:00	      40.591	155.674	+6.75	Bf5xd3 Kf3g4 Bg5c1 g3xh2 Kh1xh2 Kg4h4
>Bd3f5 Kh4h5
>     10	00:00	      80.591	187.984	+6.75	Bf5xd3 Kf3g4 Bg5c1 g3xh2 Kh1xh2 Kg4h4
>Bd3f5 Kh4h5 Bf5xh3
>     11	00:00	     150.801	209.810	+6.75	Bf5xd3 Kf3g4 Bg5c1 g3xh2 Kh1xh2 Kg4h4
>Bd3f5 Kh4h5 Bf5xh3 Kh5h4
>     12	00:01	     265.335	225.666	+6.75	Bf5xd3 Kf3g4 Bg5c1 g3xh2 Kh1xh2 Kg4h4
>Bd3f5 Kh4h5 Bf5xh3 Kh5h4 Bh3e6
>     13	00:02	     444.369	236.627	+6.75	Bf5xd3 Kf3g4 Bg5c1 g3xh2 Kh1xh2 Kg4h4
>Bd3f5 Kh4h5 Bf5xh3 Kh5h4 Bh3e6 Kh4h5
>     14	00:03	     712.987	244.507	+6.75	Bf5xd3 Kf3g4 Bg5c1 g3xh2 Kh1xh2 Kg4h4
>Bd3f5 Kh4h5 Bf5xh3 Kh5h4 Bh3e6 Kh4h5 Be6f5 Kh5h4
>     15	00:05	   1.105.819	250.688	+6.75	Bf5xd3 Kf3g4 Bg5c1 g3xh2 Kh1xh2 Kg4h4
>Bd3f5 Kh4h5 Bf5xh3 Kh5h4 Bh3e6 Kh4h5 Be6f5 Kh5h4
>     16	00:06	   1.662.474	255.113	+6.75	Bf5xd3 Kf3g4 Bg5c1 g3xh2 Kh1xh2 Kg4h4
>Bd3f5 Kh4h5 Bf5xh3 Kh5h4 Bh3e6 Kh4h5 Be6f5 Kh5h4
>     17	00:09	   2.448.383	257.936	+6.75	Bf5xd3 Kf3g4 Bg5c1 g3xh2 Kh1xh2 Kg4h4
>Bd3f5 Kh4h5 Bf5xh3 Kh5h4 Bh3e6 Kh4h5 Be6f5 Kh5h4
>     18	00:14	   3.549.358	258.999	+6.75	Bf5xd3 Kf3g4 Bg5c1 g3xh2 Kh1xh2 Kg4h4
>Bd3f5 Kh4h5 Bf5xh3 Kh5h4 Bh3e6 Kh4h5 Be6f5 Kh5h4
>     19	00:20	   4.997.370	260.741	+6.75	Bf5xd3 Kf3g4 Bg5c1 g3xh2 Kh1xh2 Kg4h4
>Bd3f5 Kh4h5 Bf5xh3 Kh5h4 Bh3e6 Kh4h5 Be6f5 Kh5h4
>     20	00:27	   6.939.724	260.618	+6.75	Bf5xd3 Kf3g4 Bg5c1 g3xh2 Kh1xh2 Kg4h4
>Bd3f5 Kh4h5 Bf5xh3 Kh5h4 Bh3e6 Kh4h5 Be6f5 Kh5h4
>     21	00:37	   9.331.828	261.008	+6.75	Bf5xd3 Kf3g4 Bg5c1 g3xh2 Kh1xh2 Kg4h4
>Bd3f5 Kh4h5 Bf5xh3 Kh5h4 Bh3e6 Kh4h5 Be6f5 Kh5h4
>     22	00:50	  12.634.594	261.032	+6.75	Bf5xd3 Kf3g4 Bg5c1 g3xh2 Kh1xh2 Kg4h4
>Bd3f5 Kh4h5 Bf5xh3 Kh5h4 Bh3e6 Kh4h5 Be6f5 Kh5h4
>     22	02:25	  34.944.570	247.097	+16.60	Kh1g1 d3d2 Bg5xd2 Kf3e2 Bd2g5 Ke2f3
>Bg5c1 g3g2 Bf5xh3 Kf3e2 Bh3xg2 Ke2d1 Bc1e3 Kd1c2
>     23	02:44	  39.836.036	247.997	+16.66	Kh1g1 d3d2 Bg5xd2 Kf3e2 Bd2g5 Ke2f3
>Bg5c1 g3g2 Bf5xh3 Kf3e2 Bh3xg2 Ke2d1 Bc1e3 Kd1c2
>     24	05:03	  71.486.462	241.254	+M75	Kh1g1 d3d2 Bg5xd2 Kf3e2 Bd2g5 Ke2f3
>Bg5c1 g3g2 Bf5xh3 Kf3e4 Bh3xg2+ Ke4f5 Bg2f3 Kf5g6
>   3/4/2006 1:43:36 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:08:56, Rated time: 16:39
>
>0 of 1 matching moves
>3/4/2006 1:43:36 PM, Total time: 12:08:59 AM
>Rated time: 16:39 = 999 Seconds



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