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Subject: Re: Why Isn't Shuffle Chess Popular?

Author: Swaminathan

Date: 22:16:16 03/04/06

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On March 04, 2006 at 23:37:39, Uri Blass wrote:

>On March 04, 2006 at 22:15:57, Swaminathan wrote:
>
>>On March 04, 2006 at 05:28:49, Tord Romstad wrote:
>>
>>>On March 03, 2006 at 23:44:04, Swaminathan wrote:
>It is possible to have games from different predefined openings and it is
>done(this is exactly the idea of the nunn match) so there is no need to repeat
>the same opening again and again in testing from predefined openings.

Agreed,Uri.Do you have a link to where to download Different test sets,I have
only nunn test with 45 sets of predefined openings.

>>I have never seen a testing of engines on shuffle chess.
>>If you have any link to testing,please tell me.

>The reason that people prefer different predefined position and not shuffle
>chess is that different predefined position is a better predictor of the ability
>of the engine to analyze.

That's an analysis of an engine for classic chess because Predefined position
gives the most common openings.
But I'm talking about engine strength,how do you determine the exact strength
and the ability to understand and calculate different positions that can be made
on the board,not necessarily the position taken from classic chess.

>There are position in shuffle chess that never can happen in normal chess(for
>example black bishop at a8 and black pawn at b7) and engines that are designed

so,White bishop would also be in the a1 square with b2 pwan.

>to evaluate positions of shuffle chess may have an advantage that is not
>relevant for analysis of normal chess positions.

If we are talking about shuffle chess,why do you want to go into chess and
explain how engines would analyze and how it evaluates.

do you believe that engines that are designed to play chess might perform badly
in shuffle chess?

I have seen games where engine 1 would beat engine 2 in classic chess but loses
to engine 2 in shuffle chess,no books in classic chess. But with different
starting position,anything can happen.and It's the number of games that all
engines play and number of points and rating that matters.

regards,

Swami



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