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Subject: Re: Interesting game and position

Author: Charlie GOLD

Date: 05:19:05 04/20/99

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On April 20, 1999 at 05:34:54, blass uri wrote:

>
>On April 19, 1999 at 16:47:16, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>
>>> [Event "?"]
>>> [Site "?"]
>>> [Date "1988.??.??"]
>>> [Round "?"]
>>> [White "Deep Thought"]
>>> [Black "Valvo"]
>>> [Result "0-1"]
>>>
>>> 1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 c6 4. Nc3 exf4 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. d4 Ne7 7. dxc6 Nbxc6
>>> 8. d5 Nb4 9. Bc4 O-O 10. a3 b5 11. Bb3 Na6 12. Nxb5 Qa5+ 13. Nc3 Nc5 14.
>>> Ba2 Ba6 15. b4 Qc7 16. bxc5 Rfe8 17. Ne2 Qxc5 18. c4 Nxd5 19. Qd4 Qxd4 20.
>>> Nxd4 Bc5 21. Kd2 Ne3 22. Kc3 Rac8 23. Bb2 Nxg2 24. Raf1 Rcd8 25. Rhg1 Re3+
>>> 26. Kd2 f3 27. Rxf3 Rxf3 28. Rxg2 Rh3 29. Kc1 g6 30. a4 Bb7 31. Rf2 Ba8 32.
>>> Bb1 Rb8 33. Ba2 Rd3 34. Rf4 Rd2 35. Kxd2 Rxb2+ 36. Nc2 Rxa2 37. Nc3 Rb2 38.
>>> Rf6 Kg7 39. Rf1 f5 40. Nd5 Bxd5 41. cxd5 Rb3 42. h4 Kf6 43. Re1 Rh3 44.
>>> Re6+ Kf7 45. a5 Rxh4 46. Rc6 Bb4+ 47. Nxb4 Rxb4 48. Rc7+ Kf6 0-1
>>>
>>> The analysis says that Deep Thought calculated 19 ply for its 16th move but
>>> was unable to find anything better than accepting the knight sacrifice.
>>
>>This was (I think) a correspondence game played on RGCC or some such.
>>Presumably, the move 16. bxc5 is bad - I'm wondering if any programs pick a
>>different move, and at what depth and time do they switch.
>
>I am not sure that the move 16.bxc5 is bad.
>The game is not forced for white and white can play other moves(for example
>21.Kd1 instead of 21.Kd2
>
>I want to see a proof that 16.bxc5 is leading to black's advantage(I mean a tree
>that the evaluation of the leaves of the tree is at least a clear  advantage for
>black and
>the evaluation of every position after moves of white that get you out of this
>tree is also a clear advantage for black)
>
>If you cannot practically prove it by a tree then
>I need to see some more games from the psosition after 16.bxc5 against
>commercial programs to be convinced that the position after16.bxc5 is probably
>better for black.
>
>Uri



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