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Subject: Re: Who is #1 Fritz, Deep BlueII,Kasparov, Karpov, Anand? Opinion or Fact?

Author: José Carlos

Date: 08:33:20 04/23/99

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On April 22, 1999 at 14:27:49, James Robertson wrote:

>On April 22, 1999 at 14:04:06, Chris Carson wrote:
>
>>On April 22, 1999 at 13:51:52, James Robertson wrote:
>>
>>>On April 22, 1999 at 13:33:18, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>
>>>>Who is number 1?
>>>>
>>>>Fritz beat Deep Blue in the last WCCC.
>>>>Kasparov beat Karpov and Anand for World Chess Champion Titles.
>>>>Deep Blue II beat Kasparov in the last match, but Deep Blue II
>>>>has not beat Fritz in a public match (private match perhaps, but
>>>>who can say, where are the games?).  Kasparov used Fritz as a
>>>>sparing partner in preparation for the DBII match (where are the
>>>>games?  who won these games?  no facts).
>>>>
>>>>Deep Blue II ducks the current WCCC.  Well I guess we will never have
>>>>an answer based on facts.  So who is number 1 in your opinion?
>>>>
>>>>Fritz, DBII, Kasparov, or winner of 1999 WCCC?
>>>>
>>>>It will be easy to pick DBII becaus of blah, blah, blah or Kasparov
>>>>for the same reasons (perhaps valid), but my opinion is that Fritz
>>>>is the champ until some program (or person) knocks it off the top
>>>>based on a public match.  I like CM6K myself, but it can not be champ
>>>>if it does not compete.  In my opinion.
>>>>
>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>Chris Carson
>>>
>>>IMO, this logic is screwy.
>>>
>>>James
>>
>>Yes, the logic is screwy.  That is my point.  Why are the top
>>programs and GM's not playing each other to settle this?
>
>Probably because the GMs have everything to lose, and nothing to gain. They will
>still make money from playing just human tournaments....
>
>>
>>True, the GM's do have tournaments, but we argue over who is the
>>best and how good are the programs.  Tournaments would solve the
>>issue and generate a lot more interest (outside of this
>>news group that is).  Just my opinion.
>
>I agree; this makes sense. :)
>
>James
>
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>Chris Carson

  Apart from strange logics, if you want to know who is the best player in the
world, you can choose:
  - Resuls: just take a look at the ELO rating. No possible disagreement.
  - "Chess": if you really mean "who plays the best chess in the world",
everyone can have his own opinion. This is absolutely subjective. I like
Kasparov's chess, but I like Smyslov's too, and nobody will say Smyslov is, at
the moment, the best player in the world.



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