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Subject: Re: Why are programs not included in GM events

Author: Dave Gomboc

Date: 05:03:16 04/24/99

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On April 23, 1999 at 16:11:21, blass uri wrote:

>
>On April 23, 1999 at 14:45:04, James T. Walker wrote:
>
>>On April 23, 1999 at 04:21:17, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>On April 23, 1999 at 03:41:39, Harald Faber wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 23, 1999 at 01:53:33, blass uri wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Did you try to organize a tournament when computers are allowed to play and the
>>>>>prizes for humans are the same?
>>>>>
>>>>>I believe that proffesional players will play in this tournament.
>>>>>I believe that they most of them are interested in making money and not in
>>>>>avoiding to play against computers
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>Maybe, but it is easier for them to make money when not playing computers...
>>>
>>>I assumed that the prizes for humans are the same(It mean that even if computers
>>>win all games then the humans will get the same money ).
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Yes Uri, but even though computers pay an entry fee and are not allowed to share
>>in the prize money they affect who wins the money !  Some people do not want to
>>play a computer if $2000  is riding on the game.  It still affects their
>>score/final standing in the tournament.  Which means computers have an effect on
>>who gets the money even if the computers don't.  It still comes down to money.
>>Many players when they have a choice of tournaments will avoid the tournaments
>>with computers.
>>Jim Walker
>
>
>Players that think that  it affect their final standing in a positive way will
>prefer
>to play in tournaments that computers are allowed to play and not in tournaments
>that computers are not allowed to play.
>
>Uri

There is a good chance that there will be a chess tournament with two or three
hundred people in my part of the world in a year or so.  I inquired about
software playing in the tournament, subject to some normal restrictions (only
the author can enter a program, programs can't win a prize, players can opt to
not play the machine).  The response -- not from the actual organizer, but some
of the people involved in the fundraising -- was the opinion that the only
people who would play computers are the people who forgot to check off the box
"don't want to play computers" on the entry form, and that if GMs wanted to play
computers they could do it at home.

I didn't bother to retort that if GMs wanted to play other GMs, they could do
that at home too.  These people are not computer luddites, they work in the Y2K
industry (maybe that's why they don't want to see them ;-).  Can anyone tell me
what the drop-out rates are against computer programs in larger swisses around
the world?

Dave



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