Author: Mark Young
Date: 15:22:56 04/25/99
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On April 25, 1999 at 17:45:42, odell hall wrote: > >On April 25, 1999 at 15:24:34, Mark Young wrote: > >>On April 25, 1999 at 14:33:37, blass uri wrote: >> >>> >>>On April 25, 1999 at 13:05:59, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>On April 25, 1999 at 10:00:50, odell hall wrote: >>>> >>>>>CCC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am wondering what will be the conditions for the rebel sponsored >>>>>grandmaster challenge? It seems to me that a match played over the internet is >>>>>opening the door to alot of foul play, What guarentee do we have that the >>>>>grandmaster will not consult Chess Magazines or Books such as the encyclopedia >>>>>of chess opening?, Maybe even their own written notes on a particular variation. >>>>>I am not sure a match played under such conditions really has any validity. >>>> >>>>All of what you say is true, and I have no doubt that some GM's with money or no >>>>money on the line would consults books and notes. I say that is ok, give the GM >>>>every advantage, as long as he plays the game. >>> >>>as long as the human... >>> >>>There are some women with the title GM. >>> >>> >>> I still think many programs like >>>>Rebel will do just fine. >>> >>>I do not agree about it. >>> >>>Humans have not a very good memory and if they are allowed to use books then it >>>is a significant advantage in 40 moves/2 hours. >> >>Yes it is an advantage to the GM's no doubt, but there is no way to police the >>GM. I would still play the GM, this makes every draw and win all the more >>sweeter. I want to see a how Rebel will do against a GM under this kind of match >>condition. I am sure Rebel will be doing the same thing, they have a opening >>book expert working for them, so he can stear the program into a good opening as >>was done in the Anand match. >> >>This is nothing Ed has not thought about before making the challenge. >> >> >>> >>>Uri > > > I must beg to differ with mark!, I think that most of us have no idea how >skilled the average grandmaster is on reasearching variations and novelties, >infact it is a neccesity to compete on the grandmaster level today. Confronted >with such moves over the board a grandmaster might have problems, since he is >only human with an imperfect memory, however any grandmaster in the privacy of >his home, and with access to his many chess books, magazines and reference works >could probally even give Kaspy a run for his money. Ofcourse 500 dollars is an >easy incentive to consult such works. I do not expect Rebel to win Many games! Let the GM consult books, or a computer database of games, or move the pieces around the board. This is what the conditions will be for the game when you play over the net. The Rebel team will be doing the same thing. Do you think Rebel 10 picked its opening moves when it played GM Anand? (Rebel will be playing with an update ECO <im sure>, it will also have access to every GM game and results of any variation.) And that match was not played over the net. At some point the GM will have to play on his own to win the game. If the GM finds himself faced with a variation he does not know, then trusting someone elses analysis in a book or a database on faith can bring very unexpected results for the GM.
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