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Subject: Re: Does any program get this?

Author: Francis Monkman

Date: 03:32:47 05/02/99

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On May 01, 1999 at 23:30:58, James Robertson wrote:

>On May 01, 1999 at 20:15:54, Francis Monkman wrote:
>
>>During a game with Genius4 in 95, the following position arose
>>after 17 moves by each side:
>>
>>White: Pa2,b2,c4,e5,f4,g2,h2 Ng3,g5 Bc1 Ra1,f1 Qe2 Kh1
>>Black: Pa7,b7,c6,e6,f7,g7,h6 Na6,b6 (!) Bc5 Ra8,f8 Qe7 Kg8
>>
>>White was pleased to find the continuation:
>>
>>18 f5! hxg5
>>19 f6 gxf6
>>20 Ne4 Rfd8
>>21 Nxf6+ Qxf6
>>22 Rxf6 Nd7
>>23 Bxg5 Nxf6
>>24 Bxf6 Kf8
>>25 Qh5 Ke8
>>26 Rf1 resigns
>>
>>It would seem obvious that White is winning within a 9-ply search,
>>so why doesn't any program find it? (You're of course welcome to
>>see for yourself of it's 'legal', but I can't find any get-out for Black.)
>
>The reason no program can find it is that 9 plies is insufficient to see the
>threat.
>
>My program favored Nfe4 through ply 11. I made the moves 18. f5 hxg6 and let my
>program think. After 12 plies and an eternity I got tired of waiting and stopped
>it; the pv was 19. h4 g4 20. Qxg4 , with a score of 0.00.
>
>James

After 9 plies (played) Genius4 reckons itself at worse than -5.0 (Black's
already had
to give up his queen, rather more than a "threat"). How come a 9+ ply search
doesn't find this?

Francis



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