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Subject: Re: I am not sure if hxg5 and maybe black cannot sve the position.

Author: Dave Gomboc

Date: 09:23:57 05/02/99

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On May 02, 1999 at 09:04:43, blass uri wrote:

>
>On May 02, 1999 at 08:15:59, Francis Monkman wrote:
>
>>
>>On May 02, 1999 at 05:54:47, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Maybe black cannot save itself because after giving white 19.f6 g6
>>>Junior found 20.Nxe6 and the evaluation goes up.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>I'm sure 20 Nf3 was right, as Black now has only self-destructive moves
>>to make, eg your suggestion 20 ...h5 21 Nxh5 or 20 ...g5 21 Nxg5. King moves
>>also lose immediately. I'm pretty sure this is watertight, that's why this is a
>>serious question -- a 9-ply (let alone 10 or 11) should find this.
>
>21.Nxh5 is also good in this line and Junior suggests  Rad8 because in this
>position it can see that 21...gxh5 is leading to mate against black.
>
>I think that you need to see more than 9,10,11 plies to see that 21.Nxh5 gxh5 is
>losing to Qd2
>For example
>21.Nxh5 gxh5 22.Qd2 Rfc8 23.Qh6 Bf8 24.Qg5+ Kh7 25.Qxh5+ Kg8 26.Ng5 Bc5 27.Qh7+
>Kf8 28.Qh8# is a 15 ply line and black has material advantage before the mate.
>
>It is more than 15 plies from the original position(exactly 21 plies)
>
>program may see it faster than 21 plies because of some extensions but probably
>not in 9,10,11 plies search.
>
>Uri

Amir once said (paraphrased) that Junior's extensions are larger than even Deep
Blue's.  If that were true for _this particular position_, it would be possible
to pick up the loss on an even lower iteration than 9.

Dave



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