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Subject: Re: I am not sure if hxg5 and maybe black cannot sve the position.

Author: Francis Monkman

Date: 15:26:19 05/02/99

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On May 02, 1999 at 15:01:26, blass uri wrote:


>Junior cannot find f5 at iterations 17,18(usually eqvivalent to depth 9 in the
>brute force search)
>
>other programs also cannot solve it at depth 9.
>
>Genius3 shows at depth 7 after 1.f5 hxg5 2.f6 the move Qc7 with positive
>evaluation (1.21 pawns for black)
>it fail low at depth 8 and shows Qc7 with 0.00 evaluation
>main line 2...Qc7 3.fxg7 Kxg7 4.Nh5+ Kg8 5.Nf6+ Kg7 6.Nh5+ with perpetual check.
>white can get a decisive advantage in this line by 4.Bg5
>
>Genius3 cannot see 3 plies after the original position that white is winning at
>depth 8.
>
>8+3=11 so 11 plies are probably not enough for it to see that white is winning
>from the original position.
>
>The problem of most programs is that they do not smell the mate danger for
>black(otherwise they would do more extensions and find a solution at depth 9).
>
>I believe there are programs that can find the solution at depth 9
>chessmaster and diep(use mate extensions) are the natural candidates.

Thanks Uri, I'm expecting a copy of CM6000 so shall try it. My copy of Genius,
after
f5 hxg5 awards itself a ! for the move f6, which on 6-ply is already making
significant
improval -- from -2.00 to -1.40 almost immediately -- prompting me to post a
'note to
programmers' that this is exactly the kind of thing a 'search monitor' should be
looking
for. (Also for forcing or restricted lines etc)

NB why does Genius find the Berliner mate (19-ply) almost immediately? (Think
I'm right)

Francis



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