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Subject: Re: FRITZ5.32 - HIARCS7 0 - 1 Game 3. Please look , excellent game.

Author: Mark Young

Date: 19:39:17 05/02/99

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On May 02, 1999 at 19:03:18, Wayne Lowrance wrote:

>On May 02, 1999 at 15:42:47, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On May 02, 1999 at 15:11:16, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>On May 02, 1999 at 14:24:11, Mark Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 02, 1999 at 02:10:06, jose hernandez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Fritz5.32 ( PII 500 MMX ) - Hiarcs7 ( PII 500 MMX )
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> d4,d5. c4,e6, Nc3,Nf6. Nf3,Be7. Be5,0-0. e3,h6. Bh4,b6. Be2,Bb7, Bxf6,Bxf6
>>>>> cxd5,exd5. 0-0,Cbd7. Qb3,c6. Rc1,Re8. Rfd1,Cf8. Qc2,Qe7. Qb1,Rc8. b4,Ne6.
>>>>> Na4,Qd6. Bf1,Ng5 (out of book) Nxg5,Bxg5. a3,g6. Nc3,f5. Bd3,f4. e4,f3. e5,
>>>>> Qe6, Rc2,Qg4. Bf1,fxg2. Bxg2,Rf8. Re2,Rf5, h3,Qh5, Rde1,Rf8. b5,Bh4. Nd1,c5.
>>>>> Qd3,c4. Qc3,Rf4. Rc2,Qf5. Re2,Qf7. a4,Kh7. Ra2,Bc8. Rb2,Bf5. Rd2,Bd3. e6,Qf6.
>>>>> e7,Re8. Re5,Rxe7. Ne3,Rxf2. Nxd5,Rxg2. Rxg2,Qf1+ Kh2,Rxe5. dxe5,Be4. Qd2,Bg5.
>>>>> Qe2,Qxe2. Rxe2,Bxd5.
>>>>>
>>>>>                                  0 - 1    White resign.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hiarcs7 play a good fine game. In Tournament time controls Hiarcs is very, very
>>>>>strong,
>>>>>
>>>>>Please look all the game , is a fine game , good understand in all the position.
>>>>>Or the opening was bad for fritz5,32 ???????
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Please put your opinion, I want to know.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Look the match  =   Fritz5.32  0  1/2  0
>>>>>                    Hiarcs 7   1  1/2  1
>>>>>
>>>>>The match look bad to Fritz5.32.   Tomorrow is game Four
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks.........
>>>>
>>>>so far your results are mirroring mine, I tested Hiarcs7 on a PII 400 vs Fritz
>>>>5.32. Hiarcs7 won easy, It looks like Fritz does not gain as much from faster
>>>>computers (or longer think times) as Hiarcs7 does. Fritz 5.32 may be stronger
>>>>then Hiarcs7 at 40/2 on a P200mmx by a few rating points. On a PII or PIII
>>>>Hiarcs7 is much stronger then Fritz 5.32. CM6000 also gains much from the faster
>>>>chips at 40/2. In my testing Hiarcs7 and CM6000 on PII 450 or PII 400 computers
>>>>are the strongest programs out.
>>>
>>>Did you test Crafty16.6 and other programs  at 40/2?
>>
>>I have not tested crafty for a bit, because it has done so poorly in my testing,
>>and other testings I have seen. I have heard good things about Crafty 16.6-.7 it
>>may be time to test again.
>>>
>>>The results of Ed showed that Crafty16.6 at 1 hour per move won Rebel10C
>>>3.5:.5(2.5:.5 in public games and crafty had a winning position in a game that
>>>Ed lost)  when Fritz5.32 lost 1.5:.5 against Rebel10C
>>
>>I like Rebel 10c, but it still has some kind of big hole in its tactical
>>evaluation. In a lot of games I have played with it, it will just drop a pawn or
>>miss some kind of tactic that the other programs I am playing against it will
>>see right away after Rebel 10c blunders. It takes a few or more move later
>>before Rebel's eval will take a nose dive, but then its to late. It will do this
>>playing with GM on or off. What is bad about this for Rebel 10 is most of the
>>time it has the better game positional when it blunders. I find it hard to
>>believe that this problem can not be fixed without hurting its positional
>>evaluation or causing other bigger holes. This is the same problem I found with
>>Hiarcs6, but find a lot less in Hiarcs7 and Hiarcs7 is a much better all around
>>program for it, playing humans or other programs.
>>
>>>
>>>I also think that maybe Fritz5.32 is not the strongest Fritz and Fritz5(16 bit)
>>>may be better.
>>
>>I agree with the above, I find that Fritz 5.16 is better.
>>>
>>>Uri
>I would be interested in knowing what you guys think about the better program
>when playing 10/0 games or even shorter down to 1/0 games ?

The best program I have tested at fast time controls is Hiarcs7, I tested on
Fics, Chessnet, etc.. Hiarcs7 achived the best rating, over programs like Genius
5, Fritz 5, Fritz 5.32, Junior 5, CM6000, Rebel 10 etc that I tested. The
strongest program IMO is Hiarcs7 at fast and slow time controls.



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