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Subject: Re: Commercial Version of Deep -surely not so deep- Blue announced.

Author: Christopher R. Dorr

Date: 11:25:35 05/03/99

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On May 03, 1999 at 10:44:22, Fernando Villegas wrote:

>On May 03, 1999 at 09:03:48, Christopher R. Dorr wrote:
>
>>I don't see why it would have a great impact. Being hardware based, it would
>>cost significantly more, and there are many people who would be reluctant to pop
>>open their case, and toss in a card, when they could more easily do a simple
>>software install.
>>
>>And why? Find me a non-GM who can regularly beat Fritz or Rebel or Genius on a
>>PII400. I doubt you'll find one. Heck, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who
>>could regularly beat Crafty on a Pentium 200 MMX. To most people, it makes no
>>real difference whether their program is FIDE 2500 or FIDE 2650....they get
>>their clock cleaned either way. I'm a Master, and I can't really tell much of a
>>difference between Fritz running on my P5/75 laptop, and on my 266 at home. I
>>get whumped pretty regularly by both. So why would it make much difference to
>>the average (USCF 1500) player whether he was outrated 1200 point, or a mere
>>1000? There is n o real advantage to having DBjr, other than being able to say
>>that you own the strongest computer on earth.
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>
>Hi Chris:
>You are right and at the same time completely wrong. You miss the motivation
>aspect that moves all this industry and ourselves as customers. Yes, we are all
>beated regularly since a long time ago. And so, in terms of sheer reason, we
>should have abandoned  purchasing activities in the beginnings of the 90,s or
>so, maybe before. I am sure that 90% of people here is beated sistematically by,
>say, Chesmaster 3000 IF take backs are not alouded. Nevertheless, we still keep
>purchasing. Why? I have tried sometimes to develop a theroy about this, but we
>do not need it to recognize the fact we purchase and purchase and that we are
>all the time asking for more strenght. Is like the obsession to sharpen your
>pencil beyond any need to do that. Or we try to imagine how it would be to play
>Kasparov or the like. Or we prefered to be defeated by a GM than by a "mere" IM.
>To lose against, say, K-Chess Elite is a crude way to recognize how a bad player
>you are; to lose againts a GM say nothing about your force, except the obvious
>fact you are not a GM. And probably there are more reasons. So, let me bet this:
>if ever Deep Blue Junior appears in the market, 99,99% of people here will rush
>to the shop to buy.
>Truly yours
>Fernando
>>


I think you are correct, in that 99.99% of ther people *here* will buy it; I
certainly will. But we are collectors and afficinados...we love computer chess
for it's own sake. We will buy anything...just ask my wife how much chess
software I already have  :)

But I think we are a relatively small minority. I think that the sizeable
majority of purchasers of professional-class chess software are tournament
players, who look at features, cost, benefits, and advances when they look to
make a purchase. They don't want to purchase Rebel 47 simply because the last
one they own is rebel 46.1; there needs to be something useful to them in order
to spend the $$$.

I think most of them will look at Baby Blue at $249 and USCF 2700, and Rebel 11
or Fritz 6 (with more features) at $79 and USCF 2600, and decide on one of the
latter. It will be interesting to see, though.

Take care,

Christopher



>>
>>
>>On May 02, 1999 at 12:01:56, Fernando Villegas wrote:
>>
>>>Hi all:
>>>If the article by the father of Deep Blue -look at Gambitsoft- is not just an
>>>exercize of rethoric, maybe next year w'll have a card for our PC with a kind of
>>>home Deep Blues that according the man would be capable of beating the world
>>>champ. Any of you knows more about the feasibility of that? And what will happen
>>>to the rest of the industry -rebel, m-chess, etc- if such a monster really
>>>arrives to our hands? Opinions?
>>>Fernando



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