Author: Will Singleton
Date: 16:21:38 05/06/99
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On May 06, 1999 at 18:48:24, KarinsDad wrote: >Why are we here again? > >I am torn in that I have seen that the moderation has appeared to work in the >last few months. > >I now see that we are in the same mess again. > >Both sides appear to be in the wrong. > >I did not see the posts, but I do know something about the personalities of the >individuals involved. And it appears to be a personality clash. > >Robert has posted little in the last few months. However, practically the first >set of posts he makes suddenly get moderated. Why is that? I respect Robert a >lot, but I have seen him overreact time and time again. Is it possible that this >has happened this time? And did the moderators overreact in response? Or is it >truely an Orwellian situation with respect to the moderators and Robert? > >And are there a lot of members overreacting to all of this? It does appear that >it is the same people who are jumping on the anti-moderator bandwagon over and >over again. > >I am also concerned with the major inference that without Robert and Ed, this >forum is somehow incomplete. That may be true, but I doubt it. There are a lot >of people on this forum who have been working on programs for years. There is a >lot of expertise here. > >However, people are trying to make us believe that Robert and Ed are essential. >I respect both of these individuals a lot, however, I do not think that their >postings are essential. I have not seen many posts by Ed all year and Robert >hasn't posted in several months since his last blowup with the moderator(s). >Useful, yes. Helpful, definitely. Thought provoking, occasionally. Essential, >no. > >So, all in all, I think many people here are making a mountain out of a molehill >with regard to this. We appear to have a personality conflict between one or >more moderators and one or more members. That will happen. They themselves >collectively appear to be at blame for this. However, the rest of us have to >suffer endless postings and countless arguments because of it. > >I wish the entire lot of you who are so concerned with this would just bury the >hatchet (and not in each other) offline. This includes Will, Robert, Harold, >Bruce, Ed, and a variety of others too numerous to mention. Apologize to each >other and get on with life. > >Maybe I can sum it up best with two words: > >Grow up! > >KarinsDad :( KD, As usual, a thoughtful post. Appreciate the clarity, and the balance. (No, I am not being sarcastic, I mean it.) As to your ending advice, I believe we have tried, in the most humiliating of ways, to appease Bob and to get him back. We have had dialogue offline, initiated by us, with time spent researching the issues, going back over months of posts, and trying to come to an understanding. In fact, he said he was all set to come back the other day, but he got offended again by another post with his name attached. This isn't between Bob and us, it's between Bob and our method of moderation. He has said he can't hack it, and that's that. One of us, today, did get upset and say some things that shouldn't have been said. That was in the thread that got deleted. An overreaction, perhaps, but understandable in context. Of course, no one has the context except us and Bob, so out it went. But this isn't fundamentally a personality conflict, at least not from our side. We will treat all members of the group equally, and let the chips fall where they may. Someone mentioned that we must have thin skins, to get into it like this. Nope. If that were true, ha, we'd have been gone long ago. But we're not quitters. Will
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