Author: Will Singleton
Date: 16:40:21 05/06/99
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On May 06, 1999 at 19:14:47, Christophe Theron wrote: >On May 06, 1999 at 18:37:39, Will Singleton wrote: > >> >>On May 06, 1999 at 17:35:35, Bruce Moreland wrote: >> >>> >>>On May 06, 1999 at 17:23:26, Jeremiah Penery wrote: >>> >>>>As I read some of the current threads going up (and being taken down just as >>>>quickly), I can't help but think that the moderators are not doing their job >>>>properly. I personally have nothing against the moderators (I have not >>>>interacted with them in any way), yet if so many people are leaving because of >>>>the moderation, something must be done. CCC is somewhat like a government - >>>>There are elections, and the moderators become like the presidents (This may be >>>>a bad analogy.). If the president doesn't do his job properly, he can be >>>>impeached and removed from office for this. Is it possible that this can be >>>>done with moderators? >>>> >>>>Any thoughts? >>>> >>>>Jeremiah >>> >>>They are the government and the press at the same time. They have the power to >>>make decisions about what is posted here, which is fine, but they also have the >>>power to control public response to these decisions, to the point where they can >>>completely eradicate any trace of dissent. > > >No, because we know the email adress of almost every people there and we can >still communicate out of this group. > >The moderators are unable to prevent us from talking to each other, and that's >why they should not try to. > > > > >>>This is a small pond, so it is hard to use the word "power" with a straight >>>face, but in this limited context they are extremely powerful and need to be >>>extremely careful to be responsible. >>> >>>It is hard to do anything about the current situation when there is the very >>>real possibility that any critical comment you make will be declared "off-topic" >>>and erased with no further mention. >>> >>>I think Peter is a great guy. I think the problem here is Harald and Will. >>>Personally I think that Harald and Will should go away and let Peter run the >>>place until July 1st. >>> >>>bruce >> >>Bruce, >> >>Wow, thanks. I like you too. >> >>But we were elected to do a job, and we're going to do it. Others might quit, >>Bruce, not me. >> >>Do you recall that we decided (all the moderators) that discussions about >>moderation were fine, but not discussions about a decision to delete a message? >>Do you remember the reasoning behind that? It was to avoid constant dispute and >>anarchy. That is the policy that was agreed to and made known to everyone. > > >If you asked me I would never have agreed for this kind of policy. You should >have told us you wanted to act this way. I would have voted for someone else! > >Please don't censor discussions about deleted messages. This would destroy >freedom and would certainly drive many people away from here. > > So, you are FOR constant dispute and anarchy? :) I thought you liked computer chess! And, as far as me not telling you what I stood for, that's not true (I know it's hard to remember this stuff). In fact, before the election I made it plain that I was for ZERO discussion of anything to do with moderation. However, I was overruled by both the other guys (after election), so now we allow these discussions, but we agreed not to allow disputes over specific deleted messages. > >>If >>you want the policy to change, then lobby for your own slate when the voting >>comes up next month. > > >Come on! Why do you need to throw such things in the debate? > > > Christophe Sorry, don't understand your comment here. What is wrong with asking people to support like-minded people for the position of moderator? Will > > > >> >>The Hyatt thread was deleted for the reasons I gave. Your message was deleted >>because it argued a specific decision, something not allowed. Can't argue balls >>& strikes with the ump. >> >>btw, the moderators made a concerted attempt to get Hyatt back. We admitted we >>made mistakes, we researched the record and addressed some of his concerns. We >>spent some time on this, since we too would like to see him back, and we know >>everyone else does too. But he wouldn't be budged. >> >>All of our actions are taken in good faith, with the best interests of the club >>in mind. For some people, we don't moderate enough. For others, too much. >>What can you do? >> >>I'm here to talk about computer chess. I encourage everyone to do likewise. >> >>Will Singleton >>CCC Moderator
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