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Subject: Re: ICC BLITZ Top ratings are extremely inflated

Author: Dave Gomboc

Date: 17:01:01 05/06/99

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On May 06, 1999 at 19:37:02, Peter Kappler wrote:

>On May 06, 1999 at 17:17:10, Luis E. Alvarado wrote:
>
>>I do not understand why the BLITZ ratings of IM and GM masters on ICC are so
>>inflated. Is this normal? Why some GM with ELO ratings betwen 2500 and 2600s
>>have BLITZ ratings in the 3000s. It appears that these rating are biased by mor
>>e than 400 points on the top end.
>
>
>ICC ratings are unreliable for a variety of reasons:
>
>
>1) Cheating.  Many players use computer assistance (wihout saying so).  This
>causes their ratings to fluctuate wildly.
>
>2) Non-random opponent selection.  I know players who will avoid an opponent
>whose rating is currently below their true strength.  Likewise they will try to
>players that they think are overrated.  Or they will find an opponent who
>doesn't match up well with them and play them over and over.  My experience is
>that a few of the Crafty operators are the worst offenders...
>
>3) Anti-computer specialists.  This is really just a special case of #2.  These
>people play a very slow, quiet game that is difficult for computers, or they
>search for holes in the opening books of automated computer accounts and exploit
>them.  My program, Grok, has recently suffered from this...

Thank these people.  They are doing you a favour.  Every time they bust your
opening book and you have to fix it, that's one less hole for someone to hit you
with in a real tournament.

>4) Varying time controls.  This may sound silly, but the fact is that some
>people are particularly good at certain time controls.  If a 3 0 specialist
>happens to play a 3 0 match against another player who is used to a slower time
>control like 5 3, the result will probably be skewed in favor of the first
>player.
>
>I could go on and on, but I think these are the main problems.  Obviously #4 is
>pretty minor, but #1-3 cause big problems with the efficiency of the rating
>pool.  Since the computer-related problems tend to have more impact at the high
>end of the rating scale, I think the ratings are particularly unreliable there.

I would say that #4 is also very important.  For instance, if I play 5 0, my
rating will drop to the 1800s.  When I play 2 6, I can hold high 1900s or low
2000s.  If I play 2 12, I can even get over 2100.  Of course, it's much tougher
to find people to play 2 12 than 5 0.  2 12 gives lots of chance for someone to
operate a computer, and 5 0 doesn't, so it's easily understandable.
>--Peter

Dave



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