Author: Micheal Cummings
Date: 19:27:16 05/13/99
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On May 13, 1999 at 09:14:48, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On May 13, 1999 at 09:10:05, Torstein Hall wrote: > >>I think a DB chip will kill all the Fritzes, Rebels, Nimzos, Juniors and Hiarcs >>of this world. What is the point in developing, or buying, something that is a >>lot weaker than the "Micro Monster" :-) >> >>But perhaps it could be made with a programming interface, letting other >>programs use it for search, and add their own evaluation functions etc.? >> >>Torstein > > >This can't be done... the _hardware_ does the eval, and the last N plies >of the tree search. All that could be modified would be the first few plies >of the search, (and the extensions) since that part is done in software. But >the "guts" of the thing will _always_ be deep blue. It can only evaluate the >things that the hardware was built to do, and no more. The search and >quiescence search can only behave like the chip is built with no flexibility. > > >Evaluation weights can be changed, but new things can't be added... so no >matter what you do, you end up with a 'deep blue' program... > >Bob The thing I do not understand is that Deep Blue used a super computer. I have not looked further into the exploits of deep blue, but has it ever lost to any other commecial programs, has it lost games, or as well series of games by other commercial programs ever. If so, then this proposed deep blue will have to run on standard hardware that the rest of the engines do. So getting to the point, if deep blue lost to another commercial software program while it was running on a super computer, then I would assume you take that super computer away and it will be very much weaker, would it even be in the range of top programs. It beat kasparov, but Fritz beat Polgar very easily, and we have just had the series of junior ga,es played it which it did well. I would like to see Kasparov (since he seems to be the benchmark) play other top commercials and see what the result is, because you might find that Deep Blue when it was around and DB chip if it ever arrives might not be all that great. And I am sure that if it is, that we will have other chips on the market to rival it. But lets also look that how many people would buy the DB chip (not many), or nowhere in the numbers of commercial chess programs on the market now. So as for the stated price then market trendswould have to show that it will be more expensive. I personally think it is a whole lot of crap. The so called great chess playing machine chip. Until I see some firm facts about it. I can make up a whole lot great stories too. Want to hear how I heard about all the great new features being put into CM7000, it has all the things you liked in Fritz, Rebel, Hiarcs. And it will be $10 more cheaper than it is now. I have heard so many things, but to say it will happen, well that is another thing, let alone if it is even true. Boys dreaming about little toys. Is it a dream or will it be fact. My opinion, a dream that will dissapoint.
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