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Subject: Re: endgame position - analysis?

Author: Dan Homan

Date: 03:16:56 05/19/99

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On May 18, 1999 at 20:18:09, Jon Dart wrote:

>Here is an interesting endgame position with unbalanced material,
>from a recent game Arasan vs. Rajah on ICC:
>
>8/6k1/4P3/1b1n1P2/6PK/8/p7/4R3 b - -
>

EXchess likes Kf6 from ply 1 on...  Here is the output.   - Dan

  7.  -0.74     1    52010   1. ... Kf6 2. Ra1 Bc4 3. Kg3 Nc3 4. Re1 Bd5
  7.  -0.74     1    69130   1. ... Kf6 2. Ra1 Bc4 3. Kg3 Nc3 4. Re1 Bd5
  8.  -0.75     2   229496   1. ... Kf6 2. Kg3 Be2 3. Ra1 Bc4 4. Rd1 Ne3 5. Rc1
  8.  -0.75     4   361229   1. ... Kf6 2. Kg3 Be2 3. Ra1 Bc4 4. Rd1 Ne3 5. Rc1
  9.  -0.56    12  1237242   1. ... Kf6 2. Kg3 Ne3 3. Rc1 Bc4 4. Kf4 Nxf5
                             5. gxf5 Bxe6
  9.  -0.56    18  1874686   1. ... Kf6 2. Kg3 Ne3 3. Rc1 Bc4 4. Kf4 Nxf5
                             5. gxf5 Bxe6
 10.  -0.53    25  2679941   1. ... Kf6 2. Kg3 Ne3 3. Ra1 Bc4 4. Kf3 Nc2
                             5. Rxa2 Bxa2 6. Kf4
 10.  -0.53    28  3036921   1. ... Kf6 2. Kg3 Ne3 3. Ra1 Bc4 4. Kf3 Nc2
                             5. Rxa2 Bxa2 6. Kf4
 11.  -0.46    68  7204272   1. ... Kf6 2. Kg3 Bc4 3. Ra1 Ke7 4. Rh1 Nc3
                             5. g5 Bxe6 6. fxe6 Kxe6
 11.  -0.46    76  8125014   1. ... Kf6 2. Kg3 Bc4 3. Ra1 Ke7 4. Rh1 Nc3
                             5. g5 Bxe6 6. fxe6 Kxe6
 12.  -0.46   135 14100049   1. ... Kf6 2. Kg3 Bc4 3. Ra1 Ne3 4. Kf4 Nd5+
                             5. Ke4 Nb4 6. Rg1 Bxe6 7. g5+ Ke7 8. fxe6
 12.  -0.46   158 16453651   1. ... Kf6 2. Kg3 Bc4 3. Ra1 Ne3 4. Kf4 Nd5+
                             5. Ke4 Nb4 6. Rg1 Bxe6 7. g5+ Ke7 8. fxe6
 13.  -0.53   221 22683763   1. ... Kf6 2. Kg3 Bc4 3. Ra1 Ne3 4. Kf4 Nd5+
                             5. Kf3 Nb4 6. Ke4 Nc2 7. Rxa2 Bxa2 8. Kf4
 13.  -0.53   294 30124588   1. ... Kf6 2. Kg3 Bc4 3. Ra1 Ne3 4. Kf4 Nd5+
                             5. Kf3 Nb4 6. Ke4 Nc2 7. Rxa2 Bxa2 8. Kf4



>Crafty 16.6 likes Kf6 here and gives it a draw score. However, when
>I forced it to search Ne3, it does this:
>
>               11->   5.34  -2.33   1. ... Ne3 2. Kg5 Nc2 3. f6+ Kg8 4.
>                                    Rh1 a1=Q 5. Rxa1 Nxa1 6. Kf4 Nc2 7.
>                                    g5
>               12     9.77     ++   1. ... Ne3!!
>               12     3:52  -1.89   1. ... Ne3 2. Kg5 Nc2 3. f6+ Kg8 4.
>                                    Rh1 a1=Q 5. Rxa1 Nxa1 6. f7+ Kg7 7.
>                                    Kf4 Kf8 8. g5
>               12->   3:52  -1.89   1. ... Ne3 2. Kg5 Nc2 3. f6+ Kg8 4.
>                                    Rh1 a1=Q 5. Rxa1 Nxa1 6. f7+ Kg7 7.
>                                    Kf4 Kf8 8. g5
>               13     4:46  -1.54   1. ... Ne3 2. Ra1 Bc4 3. e7 Kf7 4.
>                                    f6 Nc2 5. Rxa2 Bxa2 6. g5 Ne3 7. g6+
>                                    Ke8 8. Kg3 Bf7
>               13->   4:46  -1.54   1. ... Ne3 2. Ra1 Bc4 3. e7 Kf7 4.
>                                    f6 Nc2 5. Rxa2 Bxa2 6. g5 Ne3 7. g6+
>                                    Ke8 8. Kg3 Bf7
>               14     5:38  -1.54   1. ... Ne3 2. Ra1 Bc4 3. e7 Kf7 4.
>                                    f6 Nc2 5. Rxa2 Bxa2 6. g5 Ke8 7. g6
>                                    Ne3 8. Kg3 Bf7
>               14->   5:38  -1.54   1. ... Ne3 2. Ra1 Bc4 3. e7 Kf7 4.
>                                    f6 Nc2 5. Rxa2 Bxa2 6. g5 Ke8 7. g6
>                                    Ne3 8. Kg3 Bf7
>
>Note the really long time to get through ply 12! It seems like it
>settles on a score of -1.5 but it looks steady so maybe Black can
>draw this way, too.
>
>I have recently put some fixes into Arasan for pawn race scoring
>- now it prefers Ne3 for a long time but eventually switches to Kf6.
>However, it still gives a + score for Black.
>
>I would be interested to know what other programs think of this
>position.
>
>--Jon
>
>
>
>--Jon



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