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Subject: Re: Two more 'GM stunners', only LGG showing signs of life...

Author: Dave Gomboc

Date: 23:49:40 05/19/99

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On May 20, 1999 at 02:34:40, Ed Schröder wrote:

>>Posted by Francis Monkman on May 19, 1999 at 18:28:49:
>>
>>This is another excellent example of a 'simple' idea, that
>>seems to prove hard for programs to find.
>>
>>r4rk1/1nqb1pbn/3p2pB/pppP3p/4P3/1PP2NNP/P1BQ2P1/R4RK1 w - -
>>
>>[Smejkal-Medina, Amsterdam II 1971]
>>
>>Looking at the position, the idea is, clear the b1-h7 diagonal,
>>then piece for piece and the queen to g5 giving check etc.
>>
>>e5!  dxe5  Nxh5  gxh5  Bxh7  Kxh7  Bxg7  Kxg7  Qg5+ (9-ply, and
>>surely there's enough 'interest' here to grab an extension?)
>>...Kh7  Qxh5+  Kg7 (for obvious but misplaced reasons, programs
>>prefer ...Kg8)  Ng5  1-0
>>
>>None of the engines I tried (Fritz, Rebel, Genius, CSTal II) found
>>e5 within 5 mins. I left LGG 2.0 looking at it while I took a break,
>>and it had found it after 16 mins. (So not to say the others won't.)
>
>Rebel10.5 (setting Deepen King Safety) 3 seconds
>
>  |-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|  CCC.EPD     bm e5
>8 | *R  |     |     |     |     | *R  | *K  |     |
>  |-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|  00:00:00    00:01:02
>7 |     | *N  | *Q  | *B  |     | *p  | *B  | *N  |
>  |-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
>6 |     |     |     | *p  |     |     | *p  |  B  |  Time    infinite
>  |-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|  Hash    60 Mb
>5 | *p  | *p  | *p  |  p  |     |     |     | *p  |  Engine  REBEL10.5
>  |-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
>4 |     |     |     |     |  p  |     |     |     |  anti-GM       Off
>  |-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|  System Tiger  Off
>3 |     |  p  |  p  |     |     |  N  |  N  |  p  |  Combination   Off
>  |-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|  Style    Normal
>2 |  p  |     |  B  |  Q  |     |     |  p  |     |  Strength Strongest
>  |-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|  Search   Deepen King S
>1 |  R  |     |     |     |     |  R  |  K  |     |
>  |-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
>     a     b     c     d     e     f     g     h
>
>r4rk1/1nqb1pbn/3p2pB/pppP3p/4P3/1PP2NNP/P1BQ2P1/R4RK1 w - -
>
>00:00:00  1.00  0.38  Bh6xg7 Kg8xg7 (0)
>00:00:00  2.00  0.75  Bh6xg7 Kg8xg7 Nf3-h4 (0)
>00:00:00  3.00  0.36  Bh6xg7 Kg8xg7 Nf3-h4 Kg7-h8 (0)
>00:00:00  3.01  0.57  Nf3-h4 Nh7-f6 Bh6xg7 Kg8xg7 Ra1-e1 (0)
>00:00:00  4.00  0.57  Nf3-h4 Nh7-f6 Bh6xg7 Kg8xg7 Ra1-e1 (0)
>00:00:01  5.00  0.34  Nf3-h4 Ra8-e8 Bh6xg7 Kg8xg7 Ra1-e1 Kg7-h8 (0)
>00:00:01  5.01  0.45  Bh6xg7 Kg8xg7 a2-a4 b5xa4 b3xa4 f7-f5 e4xf5 (1)
>00:00:01  5.05  0.50  Ra1-e1 Rf8-e8 Bh6xg7 Kg8xg7 Nf3-g5 Nh7-f6 (1)
>00:00:02  6.00  0.54  Ra1-e1 Ra8-e8 Bh6xg7 Kg8xg7 Nf3-h4 Nh7-f6 (2)
>00:00:02  6.01  0.55  Bh6xg7 Kg8xg7 Ra1-d1 Nh7-f6 Qd2-g5 (2)
>00:00:03  6.08  0.55  e4-e5 (3)
>00:00:06  6.08  0.98  e4-e5 c5-c4 e5xd6 Nb7xd6 Bh6xg7 Kg8xg7 Nf3-e5 (3)
>00:00:27  7.00  1.13  e4-e5 b5-b4 Bh6xg7 Kg8xg7 Ra1-e1 Ra8-e8 e5xd6 (7)
>
>>And another from 1971, Smyslov-Adorjan, Amsterdam I
>>
>>r1b2k1r/pp2p2p/5pp1/1n1NB3/8/1P4P1/P1P4P/2KR3R w - -
>>
>>I'm sure I waited hours to see if Genius 3 would get this, when I
>>first played through it. Also a simple idea -- White will exchange two
>>pieces for a rook and two pawns (already a material advantage) after
>>which, a human chess player should see at a glance that his two rooks'
>>mobility, and the pressure they can put on Black's king and undeveloped
>>queenside mean he can 'mop up' the remaining kingside pawns without too
>>much trouble:
>>
>>Nxf6!  exf6  Rd8+   Kg7   Bxf6+  Kxf6   Rxh8  Kg7   Rd8  Nc7   Re1  1-0
>>
>>Again, none found it within the 5 minutes I allowed (you see I'm getting
>>impatient!), except, yes you guessed, LGG 2.0 immediately plays this,
>>and for 'all the right reasons'.
>
>
>Rebel10.5 (setting Deep Threats) 2 seconds
>
>  |-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|  CCC.EPD     bm Nxf6
>8 | *R  |     | *B  |     |     | *K  |     | *R  |
>  |-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|  00:00:00    00:00:01
>7 | *p  | *p  |     |     | *p  |     |     | *p  |
>  |-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
>6 |     |     |     |     |     | *p  | *p  |     |  Time    infinite
>  |-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|  Hash    60 Mb
>5 |     | *N  |     |  N  |  B  |     |     |     |  Engine  REBEL10.5
>  |-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
>4 |     |     |     |     |     |     |     |     |  anti-GM       Off
>  |-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|  System Tiger  Off
>3 |     |  p  |     |     |     |     |  p  |     |  Combination   Off
>  |-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|  Style    Normal
>2 |  p  |     |  p  |     |     |     |     |  p  |  Strength Strongest
>  |-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|  Search   Deep Threats
>1 |     |     |  K  |  R  |     |     |     |  R  |
>  |-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
>     a     b     c     d     e     f     g     h
>
>r1b2k1r/pp2p2p/5pp1/1n1NB3/8/1P4P1/P1P4P/2KR3R w - -
>
>00:00:00  1.00  -1.98  Nd5xf6 e7xf6 Be5xf6 (0)
>00:00:00  1.05  0.41  Rh1-f1 (0)
>00:00:00  2.00  0.11  Rh1-f1 Bc8-g4 Rd1-d3 (0)
>00:00:00  2.08  0.20  a2-a4 Bc8-g4 Rd1-f1 Nb5-a3 c2-c4 (0)
>00:00:00  3.00  -0.06  a2-a4 Bc8-g4 Rd1-d2 Bg4-f3 Rh1-f1 Bf3xd5 Rd2xd5 (0)
>00:00:01  4.00  0.11  a2-a4 f6xe5 Rh1-f1+ Kf8-g7 a4xb5 Bc8-g4 Rd1-d3 (0)
>00:00:01  5.00  -0.10  a2-a4 f6xe5 a4xb5 Bc8-f5 Rh1-e1 e7-e6 Nd5-b4 (1)
>00:00:02  5.05  0.00  Nd5xf6 e7xf6 Rd1-d8+ Kf8-g7 Be5xf6+ Kg7xf6 Rd8xh8 (2)
>00:00:03  6.00  0.11  Nd5xf6 e7xf6 Rd1-d8+ Kf8-g7 Be5xf6+ Kg7xf6 Rd8xh8 (2)
>00:00:08  7.00  0.20  Nd5xf6 e7xf6 Rd1-d8+ Kf8-f7 Rd8xh8 f6xe5 Rh8xh7+ (4)
>
>Ed Schroder
>
>
>>I'm not trying to plug LGG too hard, really. I've watched it do some
>>pretty terrible things too! But for some of these 'difficult' moves, it
>>really does seem to have a consistent edge over the rest.
>>
>>Francis

Ed, how will Rebel 10.5 be configured for the game vs. GM Rohde?  Will you
include one of these settings (King Safety / Deep Threat)?

This is being played live on ICC, correct?

Dave



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