Author: Keith Ian Price
Date: 21:58:27 05/20/99
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On May 19, 1999 at 02:35:28, Dave Gomboc wrote: >On May 19, 1999 at 01:43:54, James B. Shearer wrote: > >>On May 19, 1999 at 01:24:36, Eugene Nalimov wrote: >> >>>Page 81: >>> >>>"I am forming an independent start-up to create a new chess chip for consumers. >>>This new chip could make it possible for a desktop machine to defeat the Worlds >>>Champion in a formal match as early as the year 2000." >>> >> And how does this imply that Hsu's startup will have the rights to the >>IBM deep blue programs and will not have to rewrite them from scratch? >> James B. Shearer >>PS: Sorry about the duplicate posts. For some reason the board was truncating >>my post and resubmitting it just reproduced the problem. > >I think he had to negotiate with IBM to be able to do it. I heard he was in >negotiations with them a few months ago. Presumably he succeeded: he would >probably get sued by IBM if he tried to go ahead without some agreement: after >all, most professionals in the computing industry have to sign non-disclosure >and no-compete clauses. I'm no lawyer though, caveat emptor. :) There is also >the observation that he needs _somebody_ to fabricate the chips for him: while >this doesn't have to be IBM, I'd imagine it would speed the process up relative >to getting someone else to make such a device for the first time. > >Anyway, the new chip (will have to be / is) redone from scratch. I don't think >that the search engine will be as much of a problem as you do: because he >doesn't have to worry about evaluating end positions, he should be able to >produce a new one from scratch in 2 weeks, tops. The interface code might be >more work: they just used Winboard before. If Hsu decided he needed a "leg up" >on developing the software, I imagine he could make an arrangement with Bob >(Hyatt) anyway. > >Dave He was negotiating with IBM for the rights to the chip over a year ago, when I spoke to him. At the time, he had not even decided whether he would actually ever do anything with them if he got them, but he knew that he could not if he did not obtain the rights. He was thinking of making this PC-based chess chip computer at the time, but didn't know if there would be a market. I encouraged him at the time, and told him if he sold the thing for $200, I would personally buy four of them. I still will. He will not call it Baby Blue, which was my suggestion to him, or Deep anything, since he had to promise IBM that it will in no way be tied to them or be used to adversely affect their "win" against Kasparov. I don't think they care what people think here, but if Hsu were to bring out "Baby Blue", the press might tie it together, and they would not like the publicity. I hope Bob is right, and it will come out quickly. I think it will make a great analysis tool, and that's what I would do with four of them. I am optomistic, as Hsu is a proud man, and would not like to make an announcement like this, without carrying it through. I must say he has been pretty good at doing what he announces. kp
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