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Subject: Re: REBEL vs GM Rohde (move 23 and 26)

Author: Dave Gomboc

Date: 06:55:31 05/24/99

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On May 24, 1999 at 07:43:02, Ed Schröder wrote:

>REBEL vs GM Rohde (move 23 and 26)
>
>23. exd4 or Rxb4
>
>It has been said that 23.Rxb4 is a better move than 23.exd4 (Rebel's move).
>I partly agree but IMO white's position is already lost also after 23.Rxb4. The
>fact that computers evaluate the position after Rxb4 with +0.50 or higher is
>no promotion for the current state of art of computer chess IMO.

I thought Black was winning, but Rxb4 does seem to look good to me.  Perhaps
this is no promotion for my chess ability either :-), but I'd sure like to see a
win.  I did give some analysis in a different post.

>I had a close look at Rebel's moves 23 and 26. In Rebel7 I removed a "mate-
>threat" extension which impact I considered none to zero. However this game
>seems to be full of it. When I enable Rebel6's extension again (just one
>instruction) Rebel sees all the danger much quicker.

So this is basically "if it's my move, but if it was the other guy's move he
could checkmate me, extend"?

>REBEL 10.5 (as played in the game)
>1r1qr2k/1p4pp/3p4/1R1B1p2/1pPp4/4P1Pb/1P3P1P/Q3R1K1 w - -
>00:00:04  7.00  0.99  e3xd4 Re8xe1+ Qa1xe1 Qd8-e8 Qe1-d2 f5-f4 Bd5xb7 (2)
>00:00:10  8.00  1.05  e3xd4 Re8xe1+ Qa1xe1 Qd8-e8 Qe1xe8+ Rb8xe8 f2-f4 (5)
>00:00:44  9.00  1.10  e3xd4 h7-h6 Rb5xb7 Rb8xb7 Bd5xb7 Kh8-h7 Bb7-d5 (11)
>00:01:09 10.00  0.83  e3xd4 Rb8-a8 Re1xe8+ Qd8xe8 Qa1-c1 Qe8-e2 Rb5xb7 (47)
>00:02:16 11.00  0.83  e3xd4 Rb8-a8 Re1xe8+ Qd8xe8 Qa1-c1 Qe8-e2 Rb5xb7 (81)
>00:05:10 12.00  0.60  e3xd4 Rb8-a8 Re1xe8+ Qd8xe8 Qa1-c1 Qe8-e2 Rb5xb7 (219)
>
>REBEL 10.5 (with the Rebel6 extension)
>1r1qr2k/1p4pp/3p4/1R1B1p2/1pPp4/4P1Pb/1P3P1P/Q3R1K1 w - -
>00:00:05  7.00  1.01  e3xd4 Re8xe1+ Qa1xe1 Qd8-e8 Qe1-d1 f5-f4 Kg1-h1 (2)
>00:00:11  8.00  1.05  e3xd4 Re8xe1+ Qa1xe1 Qd8-e8 Qe1xe8+ Rb8xe8 f2-f4 (6)
>00:00:27  9.00  1.02  e3xd4 Rb8-a8 Re1xe8+ Qd8xe8 Qa1-c1 Ra8-a7 Rb5-b6 (12)
>00:00:46 10.00  0.83  e3xd4 Rb8-a8 Re1xe8+ Qd8xe8 Qa1-c1 Qe8-e2 Rb5xb7 (30)
>00:01:25 11.00  0.00  e3xd4 Rb8-a8 Re1xe8+ Qd8xe8 Qa1-c1 Qe8-e2 Rb5xb7 (69)
>00:09:58 11.02  0.50  Rb5xb4 d4xe3 Re1xe3 Re8xe3 f2xe3 h7-h6 Bd5xb7 (120)
>
>Not that it matters much as black gets the crucial e-file anyway.
>
>Rebel10.5 needs 15 plies (and 3 hours) to see that 23.exd4 is 0.00, the new
>version 11 plies (and 1 minute). I think I will keep the change :-)

And hey, look at the bright side... it was only a $500 mistake.  Had you been
programming for a telco company or the military, the one-line error could have
cost $500 million instead. :-)

>26.f4? (Bg2)
>
>REBEL10.5 (with the Rebel6 extension)
>r6k/1p4pp/3p4/1R1B1p2/1pPP4/6Pb/1P2qP1P/2Q3K1 w - -
>00:00:04  7.00  0.47  Rb5xb7 Ra8-e8 f2-f4 Qe2-d3 Rb7xb4 Qd3xd4+ Kg1-h1 (3)
>00:00:06  8.00  0.00  Rb5xb7 Ra8-e8 f2-f4 g7-g6 g3-g4 Re8-e4 Rb7-b8+ (4)
>00:00:13  9.00  0.00  Rb5xb7 Ra8-e8 f2-f4 h7-h6 Rb7-f7 Re8-e4 Rf7-f8+ (10)
>00:00:30 10.00  -0.04  Rb5xb7 Ra8-e8 f2-f4 h7-h6 Rb7-f7 Qe2-d3 Kg1-h1 (19)
>00:01:33 11.00  -1.88  Rb5xb7 Ra8-e8 f2-f4 g7-g6 Bd5-h1 Qe2-e1+ Qc1xe1 (47)
>00:03:36 11.08  -0.19  Bd5-g2 Qe2-d2 Qc1-f1 Bh3xg2 Kg1xg2 Qd2xb2 Rb5xb7 (175)
>00:04:32 12.00  -0.19  Bd5-g2 Qe2-d2 Qc1-f1 Bh3xg2 Kg1xg2 Qd2xb2 Rb5xb7 (234)
>
>Also here the Rebel6 "mate-threat" extension does miracles and the correct
>move is played. I will have a closer look if this old Rebel6 "mate-threat"
>extension can be improved.
>
>Ed Schroder

Dave



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