Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 06:59:29 05/25/99
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On May 25, 1999 at 06:43:37, Paulo Soares wrote: >On May 25, 1999 at 06:08:08, Harald Faber wrote: > >>On May 24, 1999 at 17:21:54, blass uri wrote: >> >>>>>Hiarcs7 thinks and shows it has a clear win playing the other programs and >>>>>against self play. I did not say Hiarcs7 is correct and this is proven. I want >>>>>people to punch holes in the move if they can. If I did not, I would just say >>>>>"White has a overwhelming position and black is lost at move 20". >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I wouldn't call it 'pathetic'. IE why insult GM Rohde. He did win the game, >>>>and all your analysis has shown is that Hiarcs can beat other programs with Bg2, >>>>for example. >>> >>>The team of me and programs tried to win the computer with black after 26.Bg2 >>>without success. >> >>Does your team contain at least one IM? >> >>>I know that other in this club also tried without success. >> >>Same question. >> >>>If nobody proves that it is possible then I believe that rebel missed a win by >>>23.Rxb4 and missed a draw by 26.Bg2 >>>Uri > >Harald, > >You don't know how strong is a chess player(ELO=1800) aided for a >chess program, analysing a position for some hours. This is my >case. > >Paulo Soares, from Brazil First, I happen to agree with Harald. Second, to paraphrase you, while I might not know how strong an 1800 player + a computer program is, I _definitely_ understand how strong a GM player is. I am fortunate enough to talk with more than one GM regularly via phone and on ICC. And they know so much more than all the programs combined that it is a frightning thought to consider. If you saw Rohde's comments at the top of the board today, you get some inkling of what he thought. And as he said on ICC after the game, he considered Ra5 a mistake, and he thought that if white had played Bg2 that black would still be winning, with perhaps some chance of a draw (RB vs Q). It is simply time to realize that the GM players know so much more than the programs, that the only way the programs are getting by is through tactical skill. And at 40/2 the tactical skill of the program is not obviously better than the tactical skill of the GM. At game/30 it is, of course. But at 40/2 I don't believe so.
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