Author: Harald Faber
Date: 05:48:18 05/27/99
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On May 27, 1999 at 08:18:59, blass uri wrote: >>>>Right, I don't know how strong a chess player with ELO1800 is, I just have a >>>>guess. I am at 1800DWZ, our best club player has 2000DWZ and an ELO2200. >>>>I see a lot in analysis but when this guy starts to play/analyze I am astonished >>>>again and again how much more he sees and realizes. >>> >>>Harald, >>> >>>It makes the following experience: ask for somebody to choose 5 >>>positions, of preference closed, and tries to make the analysis of >>>those positions with the aid of some program of which you likes, for >>>one hour. After that ask for the best player of his club making the >>>analysis of the same positions, in the same time, without using a >>>program. I bet with you a beer(man talk that Germany beer is >>>excellent), as his analyses will be very better. >>>Paulo Soares >> >>What do you bet? That the program's analysis is better? >>Then I can say you already lost, I did it with OPEN (!) positions, see the game >>Gambitsoft-Forum vs IM Hans Klarenbeek, game still to go on. >>HUMANS (in my club) came up with GOOD, JUSTIFIED and REASONABLE move suggestions >>and IDEAS. Programs only had stupid move suggestions (or even worse ideas), e.g. >>16.Nf5 and 16.g5 were suggested. 16.g5 might have been a considerable move but >>16.Nf5 is not. > >I think that he does not say that the program's analysis is better but that the >analysis of the team of human with 1800 rating + program is better. >Uri It is still wrong. :-) It took 1900+ (DWZ) to show the right way(s). Programs+me failed. We had some interesting ideas of defence but not for the attack.
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