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Subject: Re: Does Rebel 10.5 Represent the Current State of the Art?

Author: Harald Faber

Date: 05:48:18 05/27/99

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On May 27, 1999 at 08:18:59, blass uri wrote:

>>>>Right, I don't know how strong a chess player with ELO1800 is, I just have a
>>>>guess. I am at 1800DWZ, our best club player has 2000DWZ and an ELO2200.
>>>>I see a lot in analysis but when this guy starts to play/analyze I am astonished
>>>>again and again how much more he sees and realizes.
>>>
>>>Harald,
>>>
>>>It makes the following experience: ask for somebody to choose 5
>>>positions, of preference closed, and tries to make the analysis of
>>>those positions with the aid of some program of which you likes, for
>>>one hour. After that ask for the best player of his club making the
>>>analysis of the same positions, in the same time, without using a
>>>program. I bet with you a beer(man talk that Germany beer is
>>>excellent), as his analyses will be very better.
>>>Paulo Soares
>>
>>What do you bet? That the program's analysis is better?
>>Then I can say you already lost, I did it with OPEN (!) positions, see the game
>>Gambitsoft-Forum vs IM Hans Klarenbeek, game still to go on.
>>HUMANS (in my club) came up with GOOD, JUSTIFIED and REASONABLE move suggestions
>>and IDEAS. Programs only had stupid move suggestions (or even worse ideas), e.g.
>>16.Nf5 and 16.g5 were suggested. 16.g5 might have been a considerable move but
>>16.Nf5 is not.
>
>I think that he does not say that the program's analysis is better but that the
>analysis of the team of human with 1800 rating + program is better.
>Uri

It is still wrong. :-)
It took 1900+ (DWZ) to show the right way(s). Programs+me failed. We had some
interesting ideas of defence but not for the attack.



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