Author: blass uri
Date: 06:11:23 05/27/99
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On May 27, 1999 at 08:48:18, Harald Faber wrote: >On May 27, 1999 at 08:18:59, blass uri wrote: > >>>>>Right, I don't know how strong a chess player with ELO1800 is, I just have a >>>>>guess. I am at 1800DWZ, our best club player has 2000DWZ and an ELO2200. >>>>>I see a lot in analysis but when this guy starts to play/analyze I am astonished >>>>>again and again how much more he sees and realizes. >>>> >>>>Harald, >>>> >>>>It makes the following experience: ask for somebody to choose 5 >>>>positions, of preference closed, and tries to make the analysis of >>>>those positions with the aid of some program of which you likes, for >>>>one hour. After that ask for the best player of his club making the >>>>analysis of the same positions, in the same time, without using a >>>>program. I bet with you a beer(man talk that Germany beer is >>>>excellent), as his analyses will be very better. >>>>Paulo Soares >>> >>>What do you bet? That the program's analysis is better? >>>Then I can say you already lost, I did it with OPEN (!) positions, see the game >>>Gambitsoft-Forum vs IM Hans Klarenbeek, game still to go on. >>>HUMANS (in my club) came up with GOOD, JUSTIFIED and REASONABLE move suggestions >>>and IDEAS. Programs only had stupid move suggestions (or even worse ideas), e.g. >>>16.Nf5 and 16.g5 were suggested. 16.g5 might have been a considerable move but >>>16.Nf5 is not. >> >>I think that he does not say that the program's analysis is better but that the >>analysis of the team of human with 1800 rating + program is better. >>Uri > >It is still wrong. :-) >It took 1900+ (DWZ) to show the right way(s). Programs+me failed. We had some >interesting ideas of defence but not for the attack. Maybe it depends on the 1800 player. An interesting test is to show the relevant position to some 1800 players who did not see it before and to check how many of them can find the right moves with the help of computer programs and some hours. Uri
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