Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 14:03:33 05/27/99
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On May 27, 1999 at 13:24:17, Fernando Villegas wrote:
>On May 26, 1999 at 20:24:00, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On May 26, 1999 at 17:17:42, Robert Pawlak wrote:
>>
>>>There's been an awful lot of teeth knashing concerning the new Rebel-CP. While
>>>there is some justification for this, consider that there may be some very good
>>>reasons for Ed's decision to go this route.
>>>
>>>Has it occured to anyone that Ed may still be developing his own windows GUI for
>>>Rebel? Possibly (and this is only conjecture at this point), this development
>>>may be occuring in parallel with that of rebel-CP. Perhaps the schedule slipped
>>>on the rebel-developed version, and Ed was forced to take measures to placate
>>>the people that were told there would be a windows version of Rebel this summer.
>>>
>>>In any case, this would be an honorable decision on his part. His customers get
>>>an improved engine and windows interface, at the time that it was promised. Ed
>>>gets to pay everyone's salary and continue development of a standalone Rebel for
>>>windows.
>>>
>>>The CP interface is not all that bad. It does not stack up to Fritz, but few
>>>programs do. It still has most of the features that people need, including
>>>support for variations, and opening book tools. Asking for Rebel to produce a CB
>>>compatible engine will not make it happen. Ed has stated many times in the past
>>>(in no uncertain terms) that this would not be an option.
>>>
>>>Furthermore, the CP interface will at least have a decent 2-D board, which took
>>>Chessmaster YEARS to develop. The lack of 3D and other unecessary features
>>>should not really be an issue.
>>
>>
>>It has already been said that Fernando was totally wrong on this issue. CP HAS a
>>3D screen.
>
>Christphe:
>First: my oblivions about this 3-d thing does not means I am totally wrong
>respect to my judgement about 2d screen. I do not see the logical conncetion if
>you don not mind.
There is no logical connection. I have only said that you were totally wrong
about the 3D screen: CP has one.
I was not talking about the rest. I said you were wrong on the 3D screen issue.
But as you are putting this "matter of taste" on the scene again, here is what I
think:
When Ed was considering integrating Rebel in ChessPartner, he asked me for my
opinion. So I tested ChessPartner and found it was very nice. I found it
functionnal and found the chessboard even better than the one in Rebel. I
noticed that the interface was really Windows95 compliant in every aspect
(including toolbars or right-click for example) and honestly I find this much
better than Fritz5 interface (just to name an example).
I don't like Fritz5 interface. Not a problem of what company designed it, but I
really don't like it. First it hides the bottom bar of Windows, and this is a
first problem. Second, when you switch to another program often it doesn't work
and Fritz stays in the foreground. Looks like a bug. Third why use buttons
instead of standard menus bars? And so on...
I prefer not to tell you what I think about ChessMaster's interface, it's going
to be censored.
When I saw ChessPartner interface I told to myself: "Yeah. So here is a real
Windows compliant interface! Good choice."
>In fact, how you can be "totally wrong" in a matter of tastes?
>I do not like CO Gui and you think is OK: so I am mistaken?
>Second: the version of CP I have seen is the very same you have seen.
>Third: 3·D screen is even worst that 2-d that, at least, as you say, is like a
>diagram. But you must remember not all people here thinks that appearance
>nothing matter provided you can play the game. Appearance is a lot molre than
>just how the board is represented.
Stop playing that song Fernando. Kind of "you programmers are always too deep in
your technical stuffs, you forget the appearances and are satisfied with crappy
functional interfaces".
Believe it or not, I'm a programmer but I like beauty too. Yes, I like beautiful
girls. And I like beautiful cars and beautiful interfaces. You are not the only
one!
And believe it or not, I really like ChessPartner interface. Else I would have
told Ed that I did not like it.
>Fourth: I understand your position: you are now a partner of ED, you feel
>compelled to defend.
It's rather that when I read untrue statements and unfair critisism I feel
compelled to open my mouth.
>For what? Nobody is attacking one Ed product, on the
>contrary, we are trying that "that" window Rebel nnever will be a product.
>Rebel- and tiger- should get the gui they deserves
>fernando
You have been very negative Fernando, and I wonder why.
Maybe you could give some advices on how improve ChessPartner interface?
Christophe
>>About the style of the pieces on the 2D board, I really understand nothing to
>>all the critisism. The pieces look very much like real chess diagrams, and much
>>like what you find in Fritz, Genius or Rebel, so what's the problem???
>>
>>Maybe Fernando has tested a version from 5 years ago...
>>
>>
>> Christophe
>>
>>
>>>Rebel's strong point has always been it's playing
>>>style, and this should be unobscured by the UI.
>>>
>>>Really, I think people are going a bit overboard on this.
>>>
>>>Bob P.
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