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Subject: Re: Nimzo99 MMX - Hiarcs 6 P90 SSDF game 12/20 1-0 Now: 10 - 2

Author: Mark Young

Date: 11:06:44 05/30/99

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On May 30, 1999 at 11:45:42, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote:

>
>On May 30, 1999 at 00:59:56, James Robertson wrote:
>
>>On May 29, 1999 at 23:49:47, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote:
>>
>>>What do you think Mr. Hyatt means when he says:
>>>
>>>"If program A on hardware B beats program D on Hardware E - does that say much
>>>about A compared to B? This belies the principles of science - you have to have
>>>a uniform platform for all participants to make any kind of judgement".
>>
>>Yes.... if out of the blue you play program A on hardware B vs program D on
>>hardware E you have no clue how the program's relate to each other.
>>
>>But.....
>>Say, hypothetically, that program AChess is rated 2000 on a P90.
>>
>>Then suppose AChess on a P90 plays AChess on a P200, and loses by 60%. That
>>would put AChess on a P200 rated about 2100.
>>
>>Now we have some concrete evidence; AChess on a P90 is 2000, AChess on a P200 is
>>2100.
>>
>>Now suppose we play AChess on a P200 against BChess on a P90, and AChess wins by
>>60%. That puts BChess' rating at 2000.
>>
>>We have discovered BChess on a P90's rating, and we have used uneven hardware.
>>We will reliably be able to predict a ~50-50 score vs AChess on a P90 vs BChess
>>on a P90.
>>
>>Do you see how this works? Uneven hardware does not compare programs, it
>>compares program's on a certain hardware.
>>
>>James
>
>Hello James
>
>I don't like conclusions drawn from hypothetical theory when testing in reality
>is available. I have not seen it stated by SSDF that they are testing as you
>suggest. If they are testing two software programs on two different processors
>and then reversing the process, I will accept that as a practical soution given
>the fact they haven't the resources to do it otherwise. The post I responded to
>only indicated testing of Hiarcs 6 on a P90 versus Nimzo 98 on a P200MMX with
>the score 0-1. If they are going to repeat the match reversing the processors,
>then the reply I received should have stated this. The reply I received merely
>said this is the way we do it and will continue to do it this way regardless of
>what you say!

Like I said melvin, You don't did not know what you were talking about.

>
>Regards
>Mel>
>>
>>>
>>>Now, I understand that to mean exactly what I have said over and over again. And
>>>that is simply the fact you have to have chess programs running on the same type
>>>of hardware to make a proper judgement. Now, isn't that what Mr. Hyatt is
>>>saying? Or perhaps you feel this is the first time he is wrong and you are
>>>right?
>>>
>>>Mel



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